Lions 2022 free agents

[Hambone]

I think pretty much all draftees are considered 'projects' to some extent. To expect a draft pick to step in and get Richardson's production, or something even close to it, is unrealistic.

I am hoping it's an injury that doesn't affect his ability to stay active. For example, if it's a torn ACL, he can still lift weights (in due course) and stay strong. If it's a torn bicep, not so much.


DH

Richardson and Knight are different players. Stove is more of a nose tackle type at 5'11 and 304. Knight is lanky in comparison at 6'4 275. From what I read while Knight kind of played all across the line but more often as an end than a tackle. Regardless at this late stage I don't believe they should change draft strategy just because of Stove's injury. When considering who to draft you should always be thinking in terms of what that player can be for you 2 or 3 years down the road. In that regard it would be short term thinking to change draft strategy draft for a half season injury replacement. If they already had Knight in the top 3 on their draft board then great. Otherwise they should stay the course.

[OV:54-40]

Wonder if they might think of bidding on recently added to the supplemental draft DT J-Min Pelley - a huge (6-6, 320) guy and who was an all-star with and part of the Dinos 2019 Vanier winning team ?

Might cost a 1st rounder in next year's draft; but he is one of the few big DTs up this draft in a not deep crop at the position.

[OV:54-40]

I think pretty much all draftees are considered 'projects' to some extent. To expect a draft pick to step in and get Richardson's production, or something even close to it, is unrealistic.

I am hoping it's an injury that doesn't affect his ability to stay active. For example, if it's a torn ACL, he can still lift weights (in due course) and stay strong. If it's a torn bicep, not so much.


DH

The mighty Stove had 13 tackles & 4 sacks in the regular season last year playing in the Bombers D-line rotation.

Argo rookie Sam Acheampong (2nd round / 20th overall pick in the 2020 draft) had 16 tackles & 2 sacks playing DT in the Argo rotation last season.

[B.C.FAN]

All cdn draft picks are projects. Your not going to get a difference maker.

Only hope is rigmaiden finds someone … just like stove was at some point

The Lions have signed a former NFL draft pick who at least has the body type of a nose tackle. Elijah Qualls, who is listed at 6-1 and 320 lbs., was selected in the sixth round by Philadelphia in 2017 after a strong career at the University of Washington, where he rushed off the edge. His NFL career never panned out. He dressed for 6 games as a rotational DL in his rookie season and had a total of 4 tackles and 1 QB hit, with no sacks. He has bounced around NFL training camps and practice rosters ever since.

Like many Americans who make their way to pro football, he had a rough background but used football to stay grounded. Here's an interesting ESPN article from his draft year:
Washington's Elijah Qualls survived 'pitbull block,' family turmoil in pursuit of NFL

[Hambone]

The mighty Stove had 13 tackles & 4 sacks in the regular season last year playing in the Bombers D-line rotation.

Argo rookie Sam Acheampong (2nd round / 20th overall pick in the 2020 draft) had 16 tackles & 2 sacks playing DT in the Argo rotation last season.

You forgot to mention that while the Argo rookie put up very impressive rookie numbers it was in 14 games. He added 1 more tackle in the playoffs. On the other hand Stove's numbers were over only 7 games. He'd add 3 more tackles in the WDF and another 4 tackles and 2 sacks in the Grey Cup. Final numbers 20 tackles, 6 sacks and 1 FF in only 9 games.

[OV:54-40]

The mighty Stove had 13 tackles & 4 sacks in the regular season last year playing in the Bombers D-line rotation.

Argo rookie Sam Acheampong (2nd round / 20th overall pick in the 2020 draft) had 16 tackles & 2 sacks playing DT in the Argo rotation last season.

You forgot to mention that while the Argo rookie put up very impressive rookie numbers it was in 14 games. He added 1 more tackle in the playoffs. On the other hand Stove's numbers were over only 7 games. He'd add 3 more tackles in the WDF and another 4 tackles and 2 sacks in the Grey Cup. Final numbers 20 tackles, 6 sacks and 1 FF in only 9 games.

The point still is - a rookie Canadian played DT on a CFL team (and not full time reps) and played well and put up some decent numbers / made plays; which was my counter point to a poster saying it is very unlikely a rookie Canadian draft pick can be expected to do anything; I do get that Stove got lots of hype from Glen Suitor on TSN, and has played well on a GC winning defence; but he's hardly a John Helton or Dave Fennell at DT.

[DanoT]

All cdn draft picks are projects. Your not going to get a difference maker.

Only hope is rigmaiden finds someone … just like stove was at some point

The Lions have signed a former NFL draft pick who at least has the body type of a nose tackle. Elijah Qualls, who is listed at 6-1 and 320 lbs., was selected in the sixth round by Philadelphia in 2017 after a strong career at the University of Washington, where he rushed off the edge. His NFL career never panned out. He dressed for 6 games as a rotational DL in his rookie season and had a total of 4 tackles and 1 QB hit, with no sacks. He has bounced around NFL training camps and practice rosters ever since.

Like many Americans who make their way to pro football, he had a rough background but used football to stay grounded. Here's an interesting ESPN article from his draft year:
Washington's Elijah Qualls survived 'pitbull block,' family turmoil in pursuit of NFL

Qualls does sound like the kind of Stove replacement that the Lions need to find; a guy with enough NFL experience to not qualify as a CFL rookie and thus be eligible for al lot more $ than a rookie deal. With the Stove on the 6 game IR for a half season +, there should be some decent $ (by CFL standards) to sign some former NFLers. At least that is how I understand the CFL rookie contract rule.

[Qman]

All cdn draft picks are projects. Your not going to get a difference maker.

Only hope is rigmaiden finds someone … just like stove was at some point

The Lions have signed a former NFL draft pick who at least has the body type of a nose tackle. Elijah Qualls, who is listed at 6-1 and 320 lbs., was selected in the sixth round by Philadelphia in 2017 after a strong career at the University of Washington, where he rushed off the edge. His NFL career never panned out. He dressed for 6 games as a rotational DL in his rookie season and had a total of 4 tackles and 1 QB hit, with no sacks. He has bounced around NFL training camps and practice rosters ever since.

Like many Americans who make their way to pro football, he had a rough background but used football to stay grounded. Here's an interesting ESPN article from his draft year:
Washington's Elijah Qualls survived 'pitbull block,' family turmoil in pursuit of NFL

Qualls does sound like the kind of Stove replacement that the Lions need to find; a guy with enough NFL experience to not qualify as a CFL rookie and thus be eligible for al lot more $ than a rookie deal. With the Stove on the 6 game IR for a half season +, there should be some decent $ (by CFL standards) to sign some former NFLers. At least that is how I understand the CFL rookie contract rule.

Qualls has been playing the spring league and xfl. The level of play in these leagues is below cfl practice rosters. You have to be a star in those league to be a starter here. Top xfl receiver has been on torontos practice roster for two yrs. We cut top rusher last year early on. So don’t get your hopes up.

According to 3down we’re way under the cap … even with some overpaying in FA. Mostly due to rourkes rookie deal. We’re like 400 under. Dry powder for some nfl guys mid season.

[David]

According to 3down we’re way under the cap … even with some overpaying in FA. Mostly due to rourkes rookie deal. We’re like 400 under. Dry powder for some nfl guys mid season.

Yes, we were way under prior to Stove's injury too. Putting him on the 6-game (probably 2x at the very least) we will have even more cap room. He was set to make $112K in hard money ($15K signing bonus) in 2022. He was set to collect another $25K when he makes the active roster, which will obviously be put on hold. His contract called for another $1K each time he takes more than 50% of the Lions' defensive snaps in a game. Salary maxes out at $160K (per 3DownNation).


DH

[Hambone]

The mighty Stove had 13 tackles & 4 sacks in the regular season last year playing in the Bombers D-line rotation.

Argo rookie Sam Acheampong (2nd round / 20th overall pick in the 2020 draft) had 16 tackles & 2 sacks playing DT in the Argo rotation last season.

You forgot to mention that while the Argo rookie put up very impressive rookie numbers it was in 14 games. He added 1 more tackle in the playoffs. On the other hand Stove's numbers were over only 7 games. He'd add 3 more tackles in the WDF and another 4 tackles and 2 sacks in the Grey Cup. Final numbers 20 tackles, 6 sacks and 1 FF in only 9 games.

The point still is - a rookie Canadian played DT on a CFL team (and not full time reps) and played well and put up some decent numbers / made plays; which was my counter point to a poster saying it is very unlikely a rookie Canadian draft pick can be expected to do anything; I do get that Stove got lots of hype from Glen Suitor on TSN, and has played well on a GC winning defence; but he's hardly a John Helton or Dave Fennell at DT.

If that was the point then why inject Stove's stats? That made it look like your point was to compare the two. Again credit to Acheampong for putting up some numbers when several Argo DL injuries opened up playing time for him.

[OV:54-40]

Because the poster I originally replied to was suggesting it was going to be out of the question for some rookie Canadian DT to put up stats "even close" to Stove's production (which is very DT ordinary at best) - so I provided some #s for comparison sake.

And not sure which rash of DT injuries the Argos had to allow Acheampong to play ? - him and another rookie - Oakman - were playing right from the start of the season as I recall. Likely , somehow, Acheampong was given a real shot in TC and showed he could play; or else they could have air-lifted in some other import DT and handed him the playing time (more standard CFL practice) - the Argos did not have some OMG pressing "ratio problem" that had them have to play Acheampong at DT.

[Hambone]

I don't think starting DL shoe-ins Carderro Law and Drake Nevis being on the 6G for the first several weeks of the season along with Shane Ray hitting the 6G in week 2 was in Pinball's plans. Those 3 who were expected to be huge core pieces in the Argo DL would spend 31 out of a combined 42 games on the IR. Again credit to Archeamong for seizing the opportunity presented to him. Many a career has been created when misfortune to others creates unexpected oppurtunity.