Re: 2018-19 NFL Season Thread
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:59 pm
The score flattered the Hawks but a win is a win. They lost 2 close ones to the Rams and Chargers so you say they have a chance then. BB
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Ballistic Bob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:11 amCan anyone tell me why the concert wasn't tried at the end of the Dallas game. It wasn't overtime and they could of cleared the field. It could of effected point spread over under etc. Thnx BB
I see you've edited the post to indicate that you are referring to the New England vs. Miami game. I guess it's because after the play that resulted in the Dolphins touchdown, then they didn't want to take any more chances in blowing the lead as by that point, anything is possible. If the Dolphins tried the one point conversion, it could have been blocked and taken back to the end zone. Or if they attempted a 2-point conversion, it could have been fumbled or intercepted and taken all the way back. In both cases, it would have given 2 points for the Patriots and thus, giving them the win. Such plays have certainly happened before.Ballistic Bob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:11 amCan anyone tell me why the convert wasn't tried at the end of the Miami game. It wasn't overtime and they could of cleared the field. It could of effected point spread over under etc. Thnx BB
That has always blown my mind - NFL OT where both teams don't get to try to score if the first team who wins the coin toss scores. Basically - a coin toss wins the game basically. That's a joke quite frankly.Robbie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:20 amBallistic Bob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:11 amCan anyone tell me why the concert wasn't tried at the end of the Dallas game. It wasn't overtime and they could of cleared the field. It could of effected point spread over under etc. Thnx BB
Are you referring to the final play of the Philadelphia vs. Dallas game last night? Yes, it was indeed overtime and the Cowboys scored a TD on their first possession and ended the game, per NFL overtime rules. And the rules also state that if a touchdown is scored to end the game in OT, then the point after will not be taken as it won't affect the outcome of the game. Any point spread is way to insignificant compared to instigating possible emotions to the losing team if they run one last play in the form of the conversion as it could cause an all-out brawl.
Well, to try to make it more fair the OT rules have changed somewhat in that the game continues if the first team to take possession scores a field goal instead as the other team has the chance to match with a field goal of their own or win with a touchdown. However, another OT change was that there is now only 10 minutes. As indicated in both OT games this week, the team with first possession can easily run down the clock and score a field goal with less than 2 minutes left. That gives the other team very little time to get into field goal range and thus, are likely to run risky plays that are more liable for turnovers.Toppy Vann wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:34 amThat has always blown my mind - NFL OT where both teams don't get to try to score if the first team who wins the coin toss scores. Basically - a coin toss wins the game basically. That's a joke quite frankly.Robbie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:20 amBallistic Bob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:11 amCan anyone tell me why the concert wasn't tried at the end of the Dallas game. It wasn't overtime and they could of cleared the field. It could of effected point spread over under etc. Thnx BB
Are you referring to the final play of the Philadelphia vs. Dallas game last night? Yes, it was indeed overtime and the Cowboys scored a TD on their first possession and ended the game, per NFL overtime rules. And the rules also state that if a touchdown is scored to end the game in OT, then the point after will not be taken as it won't affect the outcome of the game. Any point spread is way to insignificant compared to instigating possible emotions to the losing team if they run one last play in the form of the conversion as it could cause an all-out brawl.
Well at least a kneel down to make it official. BBRobbie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:34 amI see you've edited the post to indicate that you are referring to the New England vs. Miami game. I guess it's because after the play that resulted in the Dolphins touchdown, then they didn't want to take any more chances in blowing the lead as by that point, anything is possible. If the Dolphins tried the one point conversion, it could have been blocked and taken back to the end zone. Or if they attempted a 2-point conversion, it could have been fumbled or intercepted and taken all the way back. In both cases, it would have given 2 points for the Patriots and thus, giving them the win. Such plays have certainly happened before.Ballistic Bob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:11 amCan anyone tell me why the convert wasn't tried at the end of the Miami game. It wasn't overtime and they could of cleared the field. It could of effected point spread over under etc. Thnx BB
That's right, Robbie. The game ends after the first drive by the team winning the OT coin toss only if that team scores a touchdown on that first drive. Otherwise the game continues as per usual. The percentage of games won by the team winning the OT coin toss is lower than own might expect. Although I can't find up-to-date figures, my impression is that, ignoring ties, it is something on the order of 55% against 45% losses. So not the huge advantage that we might expect. At one point in the 2018 seasons--after 8 OT games--the team winning the coin toss had won 3, lost 3, and had 2 end in a tie. So basically 50-50 at that point in the season. I don't have more recent figures on this for 2018.Robbie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:52 amWell, to try to make it more fair the OT rules have changed somewhat in that the game continues if the first team to take possession scores a field goal instead as the other team has the chance to match with a field goal of their own or win with a touchdown. However, another OT change was that there is now only 10 minutes. As indicated in both OT games this week, the team with first possession can easily run down the clock and score a field goal with less than 2 minutes left. That gives the other team very little time to get into field goal range and thus, are likely to run risky plays that are more liable for turnovers.Toppy Vann wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:34 amThat has always blown my mind - NFL OT where both teams don't get to try to score if the first team who wins the coin toss scores. Basically - a coin toss wins the game basically. That's a joke quite frankly.Robbie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:20 am
Are you referring to the final play of the Philadelphia vs. Dallas game last night? Yes, it was indeed overtime and the Cowboys scored a TD on their first possession and ended the game, per NFL overtime rules. And the rules also state that if a touchdown is scored to end the game in OT, then the point after will not be taken as it won't affect the outcome of the game. Any point spread is way to insignificant compared to instigating possible emotions to the losing team if they run one last play in the form of the conversion as it could cause an all-out brawl.
New NFL rule for 2018 states that for walk-off touchdowns, PATs and two-point conversions will be eliminated.Ballistic Bob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:04 amWell at least a kneel down to make it official. BBRobbie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:34 amI see you've edited the post to indicate that you are referring to the New England vs. Miami game. I guess it's because after the play that resulted in the Dolphins touchdown, then they didn't want to take any more chances in blowing the lead as by that point, anything is possible. If the Dolphins tried the one point conversion, it could have been blocked and taken back to the end zone. Or if they attempted a 2-point conversion, it could have been fumbled or intercepted and taken all the way back. In both cases, it would have given 2 points for the Patriots and thus, giving them the win. Such plays have certainly happened before.Ballistic Bob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:11 amCan anyone tell me why the convert wasn't tried at the end of the Miami game. It wasn't overtime and they could of cleared the field. It could of effected point spread over under etc. Thnx BB
Prior to 2010 the coin toss winner won approximately 60% of overtime games under the then rule.South Pender wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:30 amThe percentage of games won by the team winning the OT coin toss is lower than own might expect. Although I can't find up-to-date figures, my impression is that, ignoring ties, it is something on the order of 55% against 45% losses. So not the huge advantage that we might expect. At one point in the 2018 seasons--after 8 OT games--the team winning the coin toss had won 3, lost 3, and had 2 end in a tie. So basically 50-50 at that point in the season. I don't have more recent figures on this for 2018.