Henry Burris got some competition
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Well I found this interesting snipet about Smith and his Wonderlic score.....
Akili Smith, Oregon - 37, 15 (apparently many people feel Smith cheated off of his teammate Jason Maas on his first attempt. Maas scored a 43 that same year.)
Seems that you should at least have a ballpark figure close to your first testing, or much better, that is a huge drop for the test result.
Akili Smith, Oregon - 37, 15 (apparently many people feel Smith cheated off of his teammate Jason Maas on his first attempt. Maas scored a 43 that same year.)
Seems that you should at least have a ballpark figure close to your first testing, or much better, that is a huge drop for the test result.
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Burris got a pass from the coaching staff and management for last year as they surprisingly hung Henry's failures on the field on their former OC, Steve Burratto.
Talking to some fans in Calgary while there at a game with BC last year and I can tell you that they see Burris as being responsible for his own difficulties on the field and don't think the offence or plays he was running were an issue at all.
Agreed that this guy is a long shot given that he hasn't played for a bit here.
I have very little respect now for Burris for blaming the play calling and offensive schemes for his own failings. I was never a huge fan as he is far too inconsistent for my liking.
If anything, I seem to recall that the announcers on both stations IIRC have made mention of how great the Burratto offence was and how well he called plays that suited the strengths of his QBs including when he had a rookie running the O. Go figure.
Even the little old lady beside us rooting for Calgary at that game was knocking Burris for his lack of consistency. Well he is consistent at throwing his coaches under the bus.
Talking to some fans in Calgary while there at a game with BC last year and I can tell you that they see Burris as being responsible for his own difficulties on the field and don't think the offence or plays he was running were an issue at all.
Agreed that this guy is a long shot given that he hasn't played for a bit here.
I have very little respect now for Burris for blaming the play calling and offensive schemes for his own failings. I was never a huge fan as he is far too inconsistent for my liking.
If anything, I seem to recall that the announcers on both stations IIRC have made mention of how great the Burratto offence was and how well he called plays that suited the strengths of his QBs including when he had a rookie running the O. Go figure.
Even the little old lady beside us rooting for Calgary at that game was knocking Burris for his lack of consistency. Well he is consistent at throwing his coaches under the bus.
Potential equates to coach killer. Burris has the physical tools to be the best QB in the league, he is lacking something and that has to come down to two areas. Confidence and smarts, he puts on a good front on being confident, but that game he ran away from the media against BC speaks volumes as to where his mindset really is. As for smarts, well I couldn't find his wonderlic score, so I guess you will have to make that decision for yourself.
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Just read a Yahoo Sports article this week that rated the worst ever draft picks by drafting spot. Akili Smith was awarded the Worst Ever #3 draft pick. Interestingly 5 players with CFL links made the list. Here's some excerpts:
In the NFL draft, the only real certainty is that there will be some monumental busts.
So what are the criteria for a major bust? If you washed out of the league fast, you probably qualified. Character and production had a lot to do with it, too. Injuries? Those are taken on a case-by-case basis. In many cases, just being a bad player doesn't make for an epic bust. There are a lot of bad players, but they don't all qualify for the worst first-round busts ever.
Now, some things can keep you from being a bust. If a player struggles with one team and goes on to be productive for another, they are not necessarily a bust. Nor are they if they never play for the team that drafts them (as with Bo Jackson and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers).
It's a lot to digest, and certainly everyone has their own qualifications, but here’s our list of worst busts at every first-round slot since the 1970 NFL merger.
3. Akili Smith, QB, Cincinnati Bengals (1999)
This is another pick that for various reasons has produced some real ulcers: Heath Shuler, Joey Harrington, Gerard Warren, Andre Wadsworth, Bruce Pickens and others. But Smith takes the cake, and might be one of the worst first-round picks ever. At a time when the Bengals desperately needed a star quarterback to pull them out of their decade-long malaise, Smith was a dud – a scant five touchdowns and 13 interceptions in four seasons. What's worse, the Bengals passed up on guys like Edgerrin James, Torry Holt, Champ Bailey, Chris McAlister and others, and dismissed a huge trade package from the Saints, who were trying move up to grab Ricky Williams. Ouch! (Hambone note: the Saints gave up all 6 of their 1999 draft picks + their 1st and 3rd rounders in 2000 to Washington to move up into the #5 slot to take Ricky. Presumably that same offer would've been on the table to the Bungals who stuck with the #3 pick and went with Smith).
4. Art Schlichter, QB, Baltimore Colts (1982)
There have been some disappointing No. 4's, guys such as Peter Warrick, Keith McCants, Brent Fullwood and others, but none comes close to Schlichter. A self-described gambling addict, he was suspended for a year by the NFL prior to his second season for having massive gaming debts. He played only three seasons with the Colts, washing out of the league with only six starts and three touchdown passes. In the aftermath, he would be in and out of various prisons, becoming fodder for articles and talk shows on the dangers of gambling. It stings a little more for Colts fans that Schlichter came off the board one pick ahead of Jim McMahon.
6. Lawrence Phillips, RB, St. Louis Rams (1996)
We could bring up other crummy picks, but nobody holds a candle to Phillips, who ranks as one of the worst human beings – not to mention athletic busts – in league history. Forget that his talent was overrated thanks to Nebraska's offensive line and scheme. Phillips' history of domestic violence in college should have kept him from being drafted, let alone becoming a first-round pick. Now he's a scar on the league that exposes what some franchises will overlook for talent. His pro career amounted to four years split between three franchises with trouble at every stop. In October, he was found guilty of seven counts of assault with a deadly weapon after trying to run down three teenagers with his car. Maybe the Rams should have drafted Eddie George, who went six picks later.
14. Bernard Williams, OT, Philadelphia Eagles (1994)
There haven't been a lot of monumental failures at this pick, save for Williams, who had a world of talent and an apparently insatiable marijuana habit. He spent his rookie season as the starting left tackle for the Eagles, then got suspended by the league for failing a banned substance test. Eventually, he flunked a jaw-dropping 15 tests and was banned from the NFL. He resurfaced a few years later, making the rounds in the Canadian Football League and XFL. Adding a little sting to the pick is the fact that offensive tackle Wayne Gandy, who is going into his 14th season and has 200 career starts under his belt, was taken one pick later.
24. Todd Marinovich, QB, Los Angeles Raiders (1991)
There were other picks who could have landed here – guys such as Leo Hayden, Bob Buczkowski, Reggie McGrew and Leonard Renfro – but Marinovich was a bigger crash than all of them. Perhaps the most statistically prolific quarterback in high school history and an on-again, off-again success at USC, the Sports Illustrated cover boy was one of the most hyped players in the draft. His "recreational issues" (read: drug use) and sour relationship with some of his coaches led to a slip to the Raiders, who gobbled Marinovich up and then watched him fall apart in only two years. He ultimately lost his quarterback job with Jay Schroeder and was released after just two seasons. In the years since, he's bounced around football leagues and police reports – often due to his issues with drugs.
In the NFL draft, the only real certainty is that there will be some monumental busts.
So what are the criteria for a major bust? If you washed out of the league fast, you probably qualified. Character and production had a lot to do with it, too. Injuries? Those are taken on a case-by-case basis. In many cases, just being a bad player doesn't make for an epic bust. There are a lot of bad players, but they don't all qualify for the worst first-round busts ever.
Now, some things can keep you from being a bust. If a player struggles with one team and goes on to be productive for another, they are not necessarily a bust. Nor are they if they never play for the team that drafts them (as with Bo Jackson and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers).
It's a lot to digest, and certainly everyone has their own qualifications, but here’s our list of worst busts at every first-round slot since the 1970 NFL merger.
3. Akili Smith, QB, Cincinnati Bengals (1999)
This is another pick that for various reasons has produced some real ulcers: Heath Shuler, Joey Harrington, Gerard Warren, Andre Wadsworth, Bruce Pickens and others. But Smith takes the cake, and might be one of the worst first-round picks ever. At a time when the Bengals desperately needed a star quarterback to pull them out of their decade-long malaise, Smith was a dud – a scant five touchdowns and 13 interceptions in four seasons. What's worse, the Bengals passed up on guys like Edgerrin James, Torry Holt, Champ Bailey, Chris McAlister and others, and dismissed a huge trade package from the Saints, who were trying move up to grab Ricky Williams. Ouch! (Hambone note: the Saints gave up all 6 of their 1999 draft picks + their 1st and 3rd rounders in 2000 to Washington to move up into the #5 slot to take Ricky. Presumably that same offer would've been on the table to the Bungals who stuck with the #3 pick and went with Smith).
4. Art Schlichter, QB, Baltimore Colts (1982)
There have been some disappointing No. 4's, guys such as Peter Warrick, Keith McCants, Brent Fullwood and others, but none comes close to Schlichter. A self-described gambling addict, he was suspended for a year by the NFL prior to his second season for having massive gaming debts. He played only three seasons with the Colts, washing out of the league with only six starts and three touchdown passes. In the aftermath, he would be in and out of various prisons, becoming fodder for articles and talk shows on the dangers of gambling. It stings a little more for Colts fans that Schlichter came off the board one pick ahead of Jim McMahon.
6. Lawrence Phillips, RB, St. Louis Rams (1996)
We could bring up other crummy picks, but nobody holds a candle to Phillips, who ranks as one of the worst human beings – not to mention athletic busts – in league history. Forget that his talent was overrated thanks to Nebraska's offensive line and scheme. Phillips' history of domestic violence in college should have kept him from being drafted, let alone becoming a first-round pick. Now he's a scar on the league that exposes what some franchises will overlook for talent. His pro career amounted to four years split between three franchises with trouble at every stop. In October, he was found guilty of seven counts of assault with a deadly weapon after trying to run down three teenagers with his car. Maybe the Rams should have drafted Eddie George, who went six picks later.
14. Bernard Williams, OT, Philadelphia Eagles (1994)
There haven't been a lot of monumental failures at this pick, save for Williams, who had a world of talent and an apparently insatiable marijuana habit. He spent his rookie season as the starting left tackle for the Eagles, then got suspended by the league for failing a banned substance test. Eventually, he flunked a jaw-dropping 15 tests and was banned from the NFL. He resurfaced a few years later, making the rounds in the Canadian Football League and XFL. Adding a little sting to the pick is the fact that offensive tackle Wayne Gandy, who is going into his 14th season and has 200 career starts under his belt, was taken one pick later.
24. Todd Marinovich, QB, Los Angeles Raiders (1991)
There were other picks who could have landed here – guys such as Leo Hayden, Bob Buczkowski, Reggie McGrew and Leonard Renfro – but Marinovich was a bigger crash than all of them. Perhaps the most statistically prolific quarterback in high school history and an on-again, off-again success at USC, the Sports Illustrated cover boy was one of the most hyped players in the draft. His "recreational issues" (read: drug use) and sour relationship with some of his coaches led to a slip to the Raiders, who gobbled Marinovich up and then watched him fall apart in only two years. He ultimately lost his quarterback job with Jay Schroeder and was released after just two seasons. In the years since, he's bounced around football leagues and police reports – often due to his issues with drugs.
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So who is the biggest number 1 bust ?
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Ki-Jana Carter got the nod. Not surprisingly perhaps he too was selected by Cincinnati. Here's the full article:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=c ... &type=lgns
Penn State has gained a bit of a rep for producing running backs who put up numbers worthy of being drafted in the 1st round only to fizzle in the NFL. They've produced a couple of good ones and some duds.
1983 - Curt Warner - Seattle (1st rd 3rd overall)
1987 - D.J. Dozier - Minnesota (1st rd 14th overall)
1990 - Blair Thomas - NY Jets (1st rd 2nd overall)
1995 - Ki-Jana Carter - Cincinnati (1st rd 1st overall)
1998 - Curtis Enis - Chicago (1st rd 5th overall)
2003 - Larry Johnson - Kansas City (1st rd 27th overall)
6 1st round running backs including 4 in the top 5. Only Warner and Johnson ever had an impact for their teams. The rest of them were busts.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=c ... &type=lgns
Penn State has gained a bit of a rep for producing running backs who put up numbers worthy of being drafted in the 1st round only to fizzle in the NFL. They've produced a couple of good ones and some duds.
1983 - Curt Warner - Seattle (1st rd 3rd overall)
1987 - D.J. Dozier - Minnesota (1st rd 14th overall)
1990 - Blair Thomas - NY Jets (1st rd 2nd overall)
1995 - Ki-Jana Carter - Cincinnati (1st rd 1st overall)
1998 - Curtis Enis - Chicago (1st rd 5th overall)
2003 - Larry Johnson - Kansas City (1st rd 27th overall)
6 1st round running backs including 4 in the top 5. Only Warner and Johnson ever had an impact for their teams. The rest of them were busts.
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