Lions at Riders July 20, 2019 - Game Day Thread

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Well, this game should be interesting to watch.

THE BATTLE OF THE OFFENSIVE COORDINATORS

Offensively, its a battle of offensive genius, as Jarious Jackson of our Leos and his mentor Stephen McAdoo, of the Riders showcase their dynamic offences, with an emphasis on RPO and getting the football into their receivers hands 'in space'. :bang: :bang:

I won't mention the empty space between each of these two offensive coordinators ears but it certainly would feel good if at least Jarious could fill it with some common sense offensive football.

LEOS OFFENCE 2019 SO FAR

Right now the Riders offence ranks 5th in the CFL, which has to be viewed as a 'success as McAdoo's offences are usually bottom tier. Mentioning 'bottom tier' offences, our Leos offence, with that great off-season free agent signing of quarterback Mike Reilly ranks 8th overall but we're dead last in points per game and offensive yardage per game.

We're tied for last place in average rush yards per attempt (4.4 yds.). But good news - we're 7th in passing and 8th in passing yards per attempt. And we do lead the CFL in giving up the most sacks - so we're really best at something, like getting our quarterback pulverized.

But hey, what the heck, we're not that much worse than last season. Mike Reilly's quarterback efficiency is about the same as Jonathan Jennings and Travis Lulay's was last season, even without having their 'deer in the headlights syndrome'. Maybe he has 'cute girl in the stands syndrome instead. Of just maybe, he has 'Jarious Jackson offensive scheme and play calling syndrome". :towel:

That is a very challenging syndrome to overcome. Basically the defense knows what you are going to do plus what you are going to do is dum anyway. Its not only a 'syndrome' but also a conundum' or as Wally would say, its 'discombobulating'.

OFFENSIVE LINE 'OFFENSIVE'

Adding to our woes as our offensive line plays a very talented Regina defensive line is that we go into this game with two starters in Figuroa and Chungh out of the lineup.

What really tickes me off this game is that we are switching Boyko to left tackle and playing Norman, an import at guard. We should have an International tackle on the roster who can step in and play left tackle. This is insanity and a poor job by Ed Hervey in terms of depth.

AN EVER CHANGING STARTING OFFENSIVE LINE

We've seen a lot of crazy so far this season, in terms of our offensive line. Its almost as if the ghost of Dan Dorazio is still here. Here are some of the 'crazies' so far. :towel: :hypno: :dizzy:

The first poor decision was starting Brett Boyko. GM's love to show off their new toys. Buono did it with Foucault before he was ready to start and we've done it again with Boyko, who has struggled with edge rushers due to his propensity to try to pass block while standing up like a barber pole (and getting beaten).

Secondly, we keep wanting to draft and sign offensive linemen who are not only natural tackles, played college football as tackles, but also have body types that are meant to play tackle. Faucault is 6'8 inch tall with long arms. Steward is a natural tackle with quick feet and long arms.

Thirdly, we keep switching offensive linemen from one side of the line to the other, as if its no big deal. Its a very BIG DEAL. Stance, footwork, punch hand, and almost everything, in terms of technique is different on the left side of the line to the right side of the line.

Fourthly, we kept changing our offensive line lineup before this game and an offensive line needs to play together as a unit to be successful. Here are our offensive line lineups so fare this season.

Game 1. Steward, center, Foucault left guard, Chungh right guard, Figuroa left tacke, Boyko right tackle.

Game 2. Roy, center, Steward left guard, Chungh right guard, Figuroa left tackle, Boyko right tackle.

Game 3. Roy center, Steward left guard, Chungh right guard, Figuoroa left tackle, Foucault right tackle,

Game 4. Roy center, Faucault left guard, Chungh right guard, Figuroa left tacke, Boyko right tackle.


In Game 3, against Calgary, we had by far our best offensive outing. Our offensive line protected Reilly well for the only time this season, Reilly completed 86% of his passes for 354 yds. and two touchdowns (no interceptions).

So what did we do after that game. We benched Steward, moved Foucault back to left guard in his place, and put Boyko back in at starting right tackle.

WRAP

Cody Fajardo, our third string quarterback last year, had more success running McAdoo's Really Pathetic Offence than Mike Reilly has had running Jarious Really Pathetic Offence. Fajardo has completed 71% of his passes and has a 107 quarterback efficiency compared with Reilly's 86 quarterback efficiency.

That serves as proof, of Jarious Jackson's capabilities. He not only could make Travis Lulay and Jonathan Jennings look like college rookies in his offensive scheme. He's also managed to make Mike Reilly look like a college rookie too. In the meantime, Ricky Collins, often maligned last year as a Leo, is presently a Top 10 receiver in Edmonton while Duron Carter ranks 25th in receiving here in B.C.

It just goes to show that when it comes to incompetence, no one escapes the influence of Jarious Jackson. :towel:

If we dont' win this game, it will be more than necessary for Ed to take off his green and gold panties and instead do what is necessary to get us an offensive coordinator who has some common sense and an offensive lineup that can give players like Reilly, Burnham, and Durant the tools to excite and succeed.

At the start of this season, our Leos offence was viewed as having the most weapons in the CFL. However Jarious is giving them BB's for ammunition when they need much more powerful ammo.

In his 'fog of war', Jarious just can't see clearly.
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Reggiemac wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:18 pm
...RBandiehiup intebackfeld ...
???
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WestCoastJoe wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:17 pm
Steward in at left guard

Ogundeko at rush end

Dozier at safety

Foucault right tackle

Boyko left tackle

Norman right guard

Yikes.
Dozier at Safety will be the best of the bunch....
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Blitz wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:10 pm
....we keep wanting to draft and sign offensive linemen who are not only natural tackles, played college football as tackles, but also have body types that are meant to play tackle. Faucault is 6'8 inch tall with long arms. Steward is a natural tackle with quick feet and long arms.
I don't get this tendency either. I thought Hunter has played well at tackle (we put him at guard), Knevel has played well at tackle (we have him as back-up), and a natural guard in Vaillancourt that we gave up on.
Blitz wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:10 pm
If we dont' win this game, it will be more than necessary for Ed to take off his green and gold panties and instead do what is necessary to get us an offensive coordinator who has some common sense and an offensive lineup that can give players like Reilly, Burnham, and Durant the tools to excite and succeed.
Doubt it. The offensive line's injuries and guys playing out of position will be used as an excuse before any responsibility will be taken about scheme.



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What became of the posters that wanted Various Jackson to be our Offensive Coordinator ? Careful what you wish for . It might come true.
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One of the head scratchers for me is that Steward has played left tackle and was a tackle in college. So now that he has been converted to left guard, wouldn't it be a natural to have Steward shift over to left tackle when the left tackle gets injured? Instead, the Lions continue to play musical chairs on the O line. Is this mostly O line coach Brian Chiu's doing or who else is to blame for this endless O line experiment?

We all thought that former O line coach, Dorazio, was too much of a tinkerer but it looks like we were mistaken.
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DanoT wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:22 am
Is this mostly O line coach Brian Chiu's doing or who else is to blame for this endless O line experiment?

We all thought that former O line coach, Dorazio, was too much of a tinkerer but it looks like we were mistaken.
It seems like O-line has been our positional bugaboo for the past 15 to 20 years. Even in the days of Murphy, Jimenez, Sherko, Bates, and Reid, arguably our most talented O-line across the board in decades (possibly ever), wasn't without its problems as our QBs were constantly getting dinged up (sometimes from holding onto the ball until the last second .....see Dickenson, Dave....or Chappy's slow-developing plays) or there were leaks. But it has been a major source of frustration for Lions' fans year after year. :dizzy:


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I can't quote Dano or David's post as this site doesn't allow it always for me for some reason but my comments on their comments.

Dorazio's schemes were reputed to be complex so I'm not sure yet how Bryan Chiu is coaching them up. Chris Burns says he's a good coach but Burns has a day job and I doubt he takes in the practices.

Why our best OL days noted by David where Murphy and Jimenez make tackles infamous on TSN led to racked up QBs was - in my view - attributed in part to schemes in part but the memory fades.

If there is a common theme among the bottom feeders this season including BC it's a combination of:

1. Too many, slow developing plays behind, at or close to the LOS that get no yards leading to 2 and outs.

2. Pass routes too slow (BC is the worst for this) given the blocking at the LOS and a QB not moving the pocket. BC layered routes at times look like REC being coached not to turn to allow the trailing REC to be open. It's nutty given a OL that is new and not working.

3. Teams not picking up the rush even when it's only 4 DL on the LOS and no adjustments in the game so it's personnel and coaching.

4. Predictable run plays where everyone in the stadium knows that it's a run play starting deep and going nowhere too often.

While it's for another thread/time this year's movement of Free Agents has not helped teams improve it seems and the Bombers pretty stable are showing signs of looking like champions.
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O Line should be

LT-Steward
LG-Focault
C-Roy (Rookie who has outplayed the veterans)
RG-Norman
RT-Knevel

Backups-Boyko, Figueroa (untill healthy)
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Reggiemac wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:18 pm
Hees an idea re fridge perry. Dress an Ol asa RBandiehiup intebackfeld to aid run blocking adpass protection just try it what can we lose?
It took a while but here is the translation: Put a O lineman in the backfield for an extra blocker in place of a running back to provide extra pass protection.

Actually it might be better to have that extra O lineman line up as a tight end and keep the fullback in the backfield to block as well.
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With the weather delay in MTL, to see the beginning of the BC-SSK broadcast, it's on TSN3.
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Maybe this will be a game that surprise cause everyone, me included seems to think that the Riders are gonna be all over the Lions today
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DanoT wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:58 am
Reggiemac wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:18 pm
Hees an idea re fridge perry. Dress an Ol asa RBandiehiup intebackfeld to aid run blocking adpass protection just try it what can we lose?

Actually it might be better to have that extra O lineman line up as a tight end and keep the fullback in the backfield to block as well.
Agreed. #66 Knevel did that one season in Nebraska. Effective use of one an athletic big guy!
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2 and out for the Lions to start the game
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First play on D, missed tackle.
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