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Probably treading on hallowed ground here. Should I bring up the dome right away?

Impossible to go wrong picking one or the other. Kind of like Ali / Frazier back when.

Will give Lui extra points in that he did all three jobs. Couldn't find stats on who had the most passing yards but can't ever remember Bob Cameron scoring a touchdown.

Cameron was a master of playing the conditions though and refined the art of ball placement. Ccoincidence that they may have both played QB in university.

Worthy HOF'ers imo.

Anybody have anything better?


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#1. Both of them won three Grey Cup rings as players, but Passaglia won one more ring as a staff member in 2006.

#2. As mentioned, Cameron only played as a punter and gave way as the placekicker to Trevor Kennerd, while Passaglia took all three roles as a punter, placekicker, and kickoff specialist.

#3. In the all important game between the two in the 1988 Grey Cup, Cameron won the battle as he punted better into the strong wind and provided two singles which proved the difference into the game with is Most Valuable Canadian award while Passaglia didn't punt effectively into the wind and late in the fourth quarter, a very short punt allowed the Blue Bombers get into field goal range and take a 22-19 lead late in the fourth.


祝加拿大加式足球聯賽不列颠哥伦比亚卑詩雄獅隊今年贏格雷杯冠軍。此外祝溫哥華加人隊贏總統獎座·卡雲斯·甘保杯·史丹利盃。還每年祝溫哥華白頭浪隊贏美國足球大联盟杯。不要忘記每年祝溫哥華巨人贏西部冰球聯盟冠軍。
改建後的卑詩體育館於二十十一年九月三十日重新對外開放,首場體育活動為同日舉行的加拿大足球聯賽賽事,由主場的卑詩雄獅隊以三十三比二十四擊敗愛民頓愛斯基摩人隊。
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Pretty sure Bob C. was the place holder for most of Troy Westwood's career so he did contribute other than punting.


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Passaglia was a great dual kicker; Cameron only a punter; and even comparing them as punters, Bob was very good and excelled at kicking into the wind; however, Lui is one of only 2 CFL punters to ever average 50+ yards on a season !


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OV - 54:40 wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 4:50 pm
Passaglia was a great dual kicker; Cameron only a punter; and even comparing them as punters, Bob was very good and excelled at kicking into the wind; however, Lui is one of only 2 CFL punters to ever average 50+ yards on a season !
That gives Passaglia a huge advantage as there's very few kickers these days who play all three roles, albeit for Passaglia he would often defer Caravatta or Bret Anderson for the kickoff role. I remember in the 1988 season, after Passaglia returned to the Lions after a failed tryout with the Cleveland Browns, originally Passaglia would only do the punting while Bernie Ruoff would do the placekicking. But shortly afterwards, Ruoff was released and Passaglia resumed the role as a placekicker as well.

I praise Paul McCallum for taking all three roles especially after Bret Anderson retired for good in 2009.

I praise Passaglia for rarely being injured especially when he played all three roles as sometimes he was required for tackles as the last defender when it comes to punt, kickoff, and missed field goal returns.


祝加拿大加式足球聯賽不列颠哥伦比亚卑詩雄獅隊今年贏格雷杯冠軍。此外祝溫哥華加人隊贏總統獎座·卡雲斯·甘保杯·史丹利盃。還每年祝溫哥華白頭浪隊贏美國足球大联盟杯。不要忘記每年祝溫哥華巨人贏西部冰球聯盟冠軍。
改建後的卑詩體育館於二十十一年九月三十日重新對外開放,首場體育活動為同日舉行的加拿大足球聯賽賽事,由主場的卑詩雄獅隊以三十三比二十四擊敗愛民頓愛斯基摩人隊。
祝你老鼠年行大運。
恭喜西雅图海鹰直到第四十八屆超級盃最終四十三比八大勝曾拿下兩次超級盃冠軍的丹佛野馬拿下隊史第一個超級盃冠軍。
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I had low expectations of swaying opinion when I started the thread.

Then I found the numbers and it's not looking good for Bob. Embarrasingly one sided to be honest. Hard to argue with the Order of Canada award.

If 1988 was a tough game for LP he more than atoned in 1994 which I have learned was voted as the best BC Lion play (game?) ever. Hitting that field goal with no time left had to literally be the height of heights.

65% career passing for nearly 500 yds, 200 more on the ground with a career best 68 yd run. Bob would be looking for oxygen after that one. LP was a points demon going over 200 points in a season twice. Nearly 4000 career points. TD completion and reception. He has a 44 yd kickoff return to his credit. That's a lot of smiles and laughs and a heck of a guy to have on the team. I bow down.

No disrespect to Bob. I tried to attach a video of his "ring of honour" induction but couldn't get it to play. Maybe a more tech savy poster could help with that. Facebook search Bob Cameron Ring of Honour.

Will add that Baltimore was very lucky to get by the Bombers in 94. A very controversial Robert Drummond ball spot was the turning point and the rest is history.

Enjoy the day.


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If you really want to dissect the issue:
Murdoch wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 7:10 am
If 1988 was a tough game for LP he more than atoned in 1994 which I have learned was voted as the best BC Lion play (game?) ever. Hitting that field goal with no time left had to literally be the height of heights.
While it's good he made the final field goal, in terms of number missed field goals it was the same at two. In the 1988 GC, Lui first missed a field goal late in the second quarter which went for a single, and then in the third quarter had a field goal blocked.

In the 1994 GC, Lui was 4 for 6 and in a close game, each point mattered a lot. This is unlike say, Lui in the 1985 GC in which he was 5 for 6 and gave the team some breathing room, or Paul McCallum who went 6 for 6 in 2006 GC and gave the Lions some comfortable leads. Finally in the 2000 GC, Lui was actually only 2 for 5 in field goals and in an eventual 2-point cushion, those missed points could have been really costly.
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Will add that Baltimore was very lucky to get by the Bombers in 94. A very controversial Robert Drummond ball spot was the turning point and the rest is history.
For some reason, it appeared that Baltimore was slightly favoured even though the records were similar at 12-6 for Baltimore and 11-6-1 for the Lions. Baltimore had a lower PA 431 to Lions 456, but the Lions also had a higher PF at 604 to 561. And as you mentioned, Baltimore did NOT finish first in the east as they were only second behind the Winnipeg Blue Bombers who had the best 13-5 record in the east. And just like how the Lions had a narrow 37-36 road win in the WDF, Balitmore also had a narrow road 14-12 win over Winnipeg. As such....aside from an American roster which isn't real proof....Baltimore wasn't necessary favoured as the Lions had home field advantage and had an otherwise good team as well.

Suppose Matt Dunigan, MOC Gerald Wilcox and the Winnipeg Blue Bombers won the 1994 EDF and the Lions played them in the 1994 GC. Would the Lions have had a harder time with them the way they did with Baltimore? Not necessarily as the two teams split their two games at 1-1.


祝加拿大加式足球聯賽不列颠哥伦比亚卑詩雄獅隊今年贏格雷杯冠軍。此外祝溫哥華加人隊贏總統獎座·卡雲斯·甘保杯·史丹利盃。還每年祝溫哥華白頭浪隊贏美國足球大联盟杯。不要忘記每年祝溫哥華巨人贏西部冰球聯盟冠軍。
改建後的卑詩體育館於二十十一年九月三十日重新對外開放,首場體育活動為同日舉行的加拿大足球聯賽賽事,由主場的卑詩雄獅隊以三十三比二十四擊敗愛民頓愛斯基摩人隊。
祝你老鼠年行大運。
恭喜西雅图海鹰直到第四十八屆超級盃最終四十三比八大勝曾拿下兩次超級盃冠軍的丹佛野馬拿下隊史第一個超級盃冠軍。
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Thorough dissection and an excellent post Robbie. Thank you for taking the time.

Interesting to me looking back at how the games played out over the years. Semi finals sometimes tougher to win than the Cup.

I'll find a more favourable matchup and try again. Have a nice day.


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Murdoch wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 8:41 am
Thorough dissection and an excellent post Robbie. Thank you for taking the time.
Sure, no problem. :beauty:
Murdoch wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 8:41 am
Interesting to me looking back at how the games played out over the years. Semi finals sometimes tougher to win than the Cup.
There are numerous examples in both the CFL and NFL in which the eventual winner had a much harder time winning the semi-final than the actual final. In the last two CFL seasons, the Grey Cup winners won by margin of victory more than a one-score lead, while the semi-final game the margin of victory was only that of a one-score game. Of course in Super Bowl XLVIII, the Seahawks completed dominated the Super Bowl while barely squeaked a win in the NFC final in the form of a tip and interception while the 49ers threatened to win the game.

Furthermore, I can say for sure that when predicting the winner for final, the performance of the team in the semi-final has absolutely no factor at all on who will win the final because there are numerous cases in which the winner of the final barely won the semifinal while the other finalist dominated the semifinal.

In the aforementioned Super Bowl XLVIII, the Broncos had an easier time in their 26-16 AFC win.
In 1990 NFL season, the Buffalo Bills demolished their opponent in the AFC final 51-3 while the NY Giants barely won the NFC final 15-13, but the Giants won the final.
In the 1990 CFL season, the Blue Bombers squeaked a 20-17 win in the EDF while the Eskimos dominated in the WDF 43-23 on the road, but in the Grey Cup it was the Blue Bombers who dominated 50-11. In the 1992 CFL season, eventual winner Stampeders barely won the WDF 23-22 by a last second TD, while runner-up Blue Bombers dominated the EDF 59-11.


祝加拿大加式足球聯賽不列颠哥伦比亚卑詩雄獅隊今年贏格雷杯冠軍。此外祝溫哥華加人隊贏總統獎座·卡雲斯·甘保杯·史丹利盃。還每年祝溫哥華白頭浪隊贏美國足球大联盟杯。不要忘記每年祝溫哥華巨人贏西部冰球聯盟冠軍。
改建後的卑詩體育館於二十十一年九月三十日重新對外開放,首場體育活動為同日舉行的加拿大足球聯賽賽事,由主場的卑詩雄獅隊以三十三比二十四擊敗愛民頓愛斯基摩人隊。
祝你老鼠年行大運。
恭喜西雅图海鹰直到第四十八屆超級盃最終四十三比八大勝曾拿下兩次超級盃冠軍的丹佛野馬拿下隊史第一個超級盃冠軍。
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Let me start by saying Lui is my favourite BC Lion of all time. But thanks to the story book finish in 1994 we tend to forget that Lui didn't have a great game. His punting was mediocre giving Baltimore a short field for most of the game, and he missed a 37 yard FG with just over 1 minute left in a tie game. Fortunately Baltimore was only able to return the ball to the 4 yard line and then the defence forced a 2 and out. That gave Lui a shot a redemption. Had he not kicked a walk off FG I really think that would have been Lui's last game as a BC Lion.


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