Which side of the ball are you most worried about? Offence or Defence?

The Place for BC Lion Discussion. A forum for Lions fans to talk and chat about our team.
Discussion, News, Information and Speculation regarding the BC Lions and the CFL.
Prowl, Growl and Roar!

Moderator: Team Captains

Post Reply

Where do our biggest problem lie?

Offence
13
93%
Defence
1
7%
 
Total votes: 14
User avatar
David
Team Captain
Posts: 9370
Joined: Thu Oct 03, 2002 10:23 am
Location: Vancouver (Kitsilano)

Some may see it differently, but for me it's offence. I'd say we arguably have more talent on that side of the ball but no cohesion, a suspect O-line, few dangerous weapons to throw to, and an O-coordinator that seems patently unable to cover up any of our shortcomings.

D isn't ideal and yes, I can show examples of shoddy tackling, but for the most part they are in the right spot. They aren't getting torched deep too often and seem to gang tackle well early in games (before some 2nd half lapses that I at least partly attribute to so many 2 and outs on offence).


DH :cool:
Roar, You Lions, Roar
User avatar
SammyGreene
Team Captain
Posts: 8083
Joined: Sun Oct 06, 2002 11:52 am

Offence for sure. Probably the highest priced unit in the entire league and nowhere near worth the value.
User avatar
WestCoastJoe
Hall of Famer
Posts: 17721
Joined: Mon May 22, 2006 8:55 pm

Cannot pick just one area to worry about.

O. Fail. Receiving corps not top level, or even near it. O Line? "This is another fine mess you've got us into, Ollie."

D. Fail. No pressure on QB. Breakdowns in coverage and tackling.

STs. Fail. Very big returns by Jackson. I expect we will still be vulnerable to trickery.

I thought Maas actually called off the dogs. They could have gone for it on 3rd and 1 at least twice more. They were steam rolling us on short yardage.

Most worried about? Leadership. Claybrooks does not crack the whip. The team is loose as can be, unguided almost. And it looks to me like the players have given up on the coaching staff. It looks to me like the players can smell a very bad season in the making.

Can a miracle happen, and the season gets turned around? I do not see how that can happen. 5 games in. 1 and 4. All games basically stinkers.

If a miracle happened, as may have happened in 2011, this fan would be as happy as any long time fan.
John Madden's Team Policies: Be on time. Pay attention. Play like hell on game day.

Jimmy Johnson's Game Keys: Protect the ball. Make plays.

Walter Payton's Advice to Kids: Play hard. Play fair. Have fun.
User avatar
B.C.FAN
Team Captain
Posts: 12590
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:28 pm

Definitely offence. All units have made too many mental mistakes but I have more confidence in the defensive personnel and coaching.
User avatar
KnowItAll
Hall of Famer
Posts: 7458
Joined: Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:32 pm
Location: Delta

which ever side the lions are on
Every day that passes is one you can't get back
TheLionKing
Hall of Famer
Posts: 25103
Joined: Sat Feb 19, 2005 10:13 pm
Location: Vancouver

Tough choice

Defence: can't tackle worth a hill of beans, no pass rush. Eskimos killed us tonight with screens and passes to the flats

Offence: what pass protection ? Questionable game plan. The book is out on how to defend the Lions. Bring heat, bring more heat. Jackson has no idea how to neutralize the blitz

Special Returns: no returner. Poor coverage. Tonight the Edmonton returner gain some huge yards by reversing the field and catching the Lion defenders out of their lanes.
Dusty
Champion
Posts: 555
Joined: Thu May 12, 2011 8:31 pm

I say Defense..... primarily the lack of a pass rush. There is no pressure on the opposition QB who has time to go through all his reads..... hells bells, last night Harris had enough time to chug a beer AND go though his reads before throwing the ball.....

I agree that the O-line has "issues", but if we had a better pass rush, we would not be relying on the linebackers being in a 10 yard deep zone on second down and rushing just 3. We would not be picked apart and lose the field position battle.

BTW, Dozer is a keeper.
User avatar
Toppy Vann
Hall of Famer
Posts: 9793
Joined: Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:56 pm

The poll might have had an option for both and even all of it including coaching and STs.

As WCJ said above, this could have been worse as I agree that Jason Maas on several 3rd downs etc could have rolled on.

COACHING

Not sure why the OC has had such an easy time of it from his HC whose defences typically had no problem beating the BC offence and play calling.

Not sure yet how to describe the HC's philosophy other than he's a delegator and thus a talent developer as that is the model he worked in in Calgary as a coach there. That was one of the reasons Dave Dickenson gave when he promoted internally his new DC.

I'm not seeing Jarius Jackson's offence open to any new ideas nor play call suggestions as he's so predictable in his use of the run. It's like he tolerates versus uses to fire his offensive line up and give them success.

We're even worse on pass blocking as the QB we have isn't much of a runner at this stage of his career than we were with the high risk Travis Lulay or Jennings.

OFF STRUCTURE, OLINE AND PLAY CALLING - get that working better. Use two backs more consistently.

Get Nik Lewis and Drew Tate more involved in play calling. Nik is on the sidelines no head set.

DEF:

Start benching those not making tackles on DEF.

Get a pass rush.

STs

Fix the coverage problems.
"Ability without character will lose." - Marv Levy
User avatar
Don Miller
Legend
Posts: 1322
Joined: Sun Mar 16, 2003 5:52 pm
Location: Chilliwack

:dizzy: Both sides of the ball are an issue. OLine not good enough Boyko is not ready for the CFL with the yard away. Horrible tackling no wrapping up on defenders. Linebacking crew much weaker than last year. NO pass rush. Our De's are not getting it done. Jackson should not have been maintained as OC. He was at best an average QB who didn't read defences well. Big changes need to be made. HC is green as grass and obviously not hard enough on his players. Sask will not be an easy place to play and they get them back to back. Hervey better find some replacements and soon.
Peanut Butter Joe/Willie Show
User avatar
mws
Starter
Posts: 116
Joined: Sun Oct 06, 2002 2:16 pm
Location: Toronto
Contact:

I’m worried more about the decision making upstairs, not paying to keep Bighill, letting Roh go, letting Solly go. Admittedly, I’m just a fan and know nothing but I just don’t get Hervey’s mind set. Perhaps you knowledgeable members can riddle me this.
User avatar
swervynmerv
Legend
Posts: 1387
Joined: Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:42 pm

Three things worry me as I sit down an watch some CFL a doubleheader:

1. Does anyone think we are actually better than the team we had last season?

2. Montreal looks like a better team than the Lions right now. Let that sink in for a moment. Thank god for Toronto.

3. We go into a home an home with the Riders who are led by Cody Fajardo who was nothing more than 3rd string, short yardage guy for us. That should be two “almost guaranteed” wins. I say almost cause in the CFL anything can happen.

Credit to Fajardo, he has played OK against some lesser teams, but if someone had said that the Lions led by Mike Reilly would be playing home and home against the Riders with Fajardo as their starter I would have been expecting two blowouts.

Such is the state of the Lions right now I don’t know if the offence is gonna stink this week or if the D is gonna make Fajardo look like BLM.
User avatar
CardiacKid
Legend
Posts: 1949
Joined: Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:46 am
Location: Under Christmas Hill, Saanich

Offense.
I don’t think it is a coincidence that the team fades after the half. The defence is overworked due to lack of possession.

But IMO, this team has the stink of a locker room that simply doesn’t give a f*ck what coaches or leaders amongst the players say.

Checked out. Gone home. Last one turned out the lights.
User avatar
B.C.FAN
Team Captain
Posts: 12590
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:28 pm

Hughes beat Foucault again for a strip sack.
User avatar
KnowItAll
Hall of Famer
Posts: 7458
Joined: Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:32 pm
Location: Delta

cant remember a worse lions team. Maybe back in the 70s sometime
Every day that passes is one you can't get back
Post Reply