Lions/Stamps Post Game Rant

[Lion Guy]

Just thought I would kick things off early

It was Wally's fault. He has lost it. He should fire Chap and he should never have got rid of Printers because of his play in 2004.

[WestCoastJoe]

Just thought I would kick things off early

It was Wally's fault. He has lost it. He should fire Chap and he should never have got rid of Printers because of his play in 2004.

It's not Wally's fault. The players have to execute better. Wally is the winningest coach in the history of the CFL. It ain't Chap's fault either, if the QB can't drive the Porsche he gives them. And Printers ... In 2004 he got lucky. In 2005 he quarreled with that saint of a fellow, Sir Dave Dickenson. In 2009 he put up good stats for himself, but lost most of his games. In 2010 he just wanted the money, and another chapter for his book.

[Lion Guy]

Just thought I would kick things off early

It was Wally's fault. He has lost it. He should fire Chap and he should never have got rid of Printers because of his play in 2004.

It's not Wally's fault. The players have to execute better. Wally is the winningest coach in the history of the CFL. It ain't Chap's fault either, if the QB can't drive the Porsche he gives them. And Printers ... In 2004 he got lucky. In 2005 he quarreled with that saint of a fellow, Sir Dave Dickenson. In 2009 he put up good stats for himself, but lost most of his games. In 2010 he just wanted the money, and another chapter for his book.

That's the spirit!!

[WestCoastJoe]

Just thought I would kick things off early

It was Wally's fault. He has lost it. He should fire Chap and he should never have got rid of Printers because of his play in 2004.

It's not Wally's fault. The players have to execute better. Wally is the winningest coach in the history of the CFL. It ain't Chap's fault either, if the QB can't drive the Porsche he gives them. And Printers ... In 2004 he got lucky. In 2005 he quarreled with that saint of a fellow, Sir Dave Dickenson. In 2009 he put up good stats for himself, but lost most of his games. In 2010 he just wanted the money, and another chapter for his book.

That's the spirit!!

That is some good Kool Aid. Everything seems to be orange tinted.

[Lion Guy]

It's not Wally's fault. The players have to execute better. Wally is the winningest coach in the history of the CFL. It ain't Chap's fault either, if the QB can't drive the Porsche he gives them. And Printers ... In 2004 he got lucky. In 2005 he quarreled with that saint of a fellow, Sir Dave Dickenson. In 2009 he put up good stats for himself, but lost most of his games. In 2010 he just wanted the money, and another chapter for his book.

That's the spirit!!

That is some good Kool Aid. Everything seems to be orange tinted.

Regardless of the situation you have to have faith that those in charge will do their best. I am a firm believer that the Lions brass is acting with the best of intentions in mind. This team is re-building for the future. They can't tell you that, but just look at the changes and how young they are. There are some, like you, Rammer, Blitz and TLK that criticize Wally for his efforts. I see what he is doing and that is setting us up for future success. Sure he wants to win, who doesn't? But you can't win every year. They are probably a dozen plays away this year from being 10-5 instead of 5-10. That is what youth does to you and that is the price you pay. the Lions will be set for the next couple of years and it will be fun to watch. We live in a world of instant gratification; sometimes we need to be patient and take our lumps.

In 2 years Sakatchewan will be right where we are today, but probably will not have re-tooled to help themselves.

[Sir Purrcival]

Sounds like we are feeling a bit proactive in our stance today.

Just out of curiousity, who would you give the responsibility to for the current state of the Lions? Usually it is the Coach and GM who if nothing else are responsible for choosing who is on the field and how a team is running.

Optimism for this game tonight is not very high. Maybe Wally should have fired the Chap a long time ago and maybe he shouldn't have brought back Printers or either of them for that matter. Maybe he shouldn't have cut so many veterans in so short a time, or kept some, playing them out of position for their abilities like Javy Glatt or stuck with Robert Jordan for 4 games after showing no promise at all, or cut Derick Armstrong who after being off the team for something like 8 weeks is still our # 3 most prolific receiver.

Maybe on balance it IS Wally's fault because no matter what the analysis is for what is wrong with this team, it still rests in his court to make the right decisions. Looking back, it isn't to hard to find examples of where he seems to have not done this

The team we root for is getting out played, out coached and it doesn't appear to be just about a lack of talent. We are now on losing season # 2. And while you contend that he is building for the future, some of us are looking at his actions in a not so charitible light. Too many mistakes, too many excuses, too much trying to deflect responsibitlity on to the players. So yes, people are looking to blame and doing some finger pointing. At this stage, it is well deserved and if Wally is unable to right this badly leaking ship, we could well be on our way to being the worst franchise in the league this year. Nobody, not even Wally gets a walk on that.

[Lion Guy]

Sounds like we are feeling a bit proactive in our stance today.

Just out of curiousity, who would you give the responsibility to for the current state of the Lions? Usually it is the Coach and GM who if nothing else are responsible for choosing who is on the field and how a team is running.

Optimism for this game tonight is not very high. Maybe Wally should have fired the Chap a long time ago and maybe he shouldn't have brought back Printers or either of them for that matter. Maybe he shouldn't have cut so many veterans in so short a time, or kept some, playing them out of position for their abilities like Javy Glatt or stuck with Robert Jordan for 4 games after showing no promise at all, or cut Derick Armstrong who after being off the team for something like 8 weeks is still our # 3 most prolific receiver.

Maybe on balance it IS Wally's fault because no matter what the analysis is for what is wrong with this team, it still rests in his court to make the right decisions. Looking back, it isn't to hard to find examples of where he seems to have not done this

The team we root for is getting out played, out coached and it doesn't appear to be just about a lack of talent. We are now on losing season # 2. And while you contend that he is building for the future, some of us are looking at his actions in a not so charitible light. Too many mistakes, too many excuses, too much trying to deflect responsibitlity on to the players. So yes, people are looking to blame and doing some finger pointing. At this stage, it is well deserved and if Wally is unable to right this badly leaking ship, we could well be on our way to being the worst franchise in the league this year. Nobody, not even Wally gets a walk on that.

Hey, I'm not saying I am enjoying this. Nobody yells at the TV louder than me; but I don't see the situation being as dire as everyone else. Do we need a new direction offensively? Absolutely. Do we need Wally to change somewhat and rid the players of the desire to take stupid penalties? You bet. I expect those things to be dealt with and I will lay blame there as well. But I still contend that we have been the same team in season's past, including when we started 11-0 and I didn't hear all of this "Wally whining" then. Perhaps I too should look at it from a different perspective though. Perhaps after tonight after I see what happens I will.

[swervynmerv]

Go Lions Go! Pull off three wins and then beat the hated Riders in the playoffs!


On a serious note, I do agree that Wally does have to do some serious looking in the mirror when the season is done.

I think they have brought in some good young talent that will be stars for us for many years to come: Davis, Aluminum, Hyland, Whyte, Franks, and Lulay. This is a rebuilding year and we knew that this was going to happen eventually. There have been avoidable mistakes made that could have made this year less "painful" for us fans.

Yesterdays news that Printers needed ACL surgery is just another example of mistakes that Wally has made, and in my opinion the biggest. Injuries happen. The mistake is not having sufficient talent at QB. Why we had Jackson in our mix is beyond me considering that he had not recovered from his shoulder injury. I like Jarious alot, but it was obvious that he had not recovered. Wally himself said that he was not recovered yet when the season started. If he was not "fit" to play, he should have been put on the 9 game and another veteran QB should have been brought in(e.g. Kerry Joseph). That way when Casey was hurt and Lulay struggled early, we had someone with experiance to turn to. If you look at the 4 week period when Casey was hurt and we went with Lulay and a banged up Jackson, we lost 3 or 4 games by a total of 11 points. I don't think Kerry Joseph is the messiah, but he could have been used to spell off Lulay when he was struggling with his confidance early. JJ tried his best against Sask, but it was apparent he was not healthy. A veteran QB may have helped us win a couple of those close games and we would not be struggling to get in the playoffs right now.

At season's end Wally MUST look at himself, stop blaming others and realize that maybe it is him that is not EXECUTING anymore.

[Sir Purrcival]

And we all remember what happened after the 11-0 run ended too don't we. Even with that good run, many of us were quietly thinking that they were lucky to have gotten as far as they did and then the wheels began to fall off. They won what, 1 or 2 games after that and then got taken apart in the Western final by the Riders. It was becoming worrisome even as far back as that and has slowly continued to get worse. After two years, even I can't consider this just a "bad patch". And if we look for parallels, look no farther than the Als. They have had successful runs and managed to do so over a far longer period of time. They have even re-tooled and reloaded while not dropping off nearly as bad in performance as our Lions. Nope our situtaiton much more clearly parallels the Esks, who after winning a Grey Cup, turfed their coach, hired a Garden Gnome who ran that franchise into the ground, first as coach then as GM. Now that they have finally shrugged that anchor off, they appear to be maybe righting their ship.
I don't expect miracles, but we have all watched this team become progressively inept and disorganized. The problem is that I have lost faith in the person in charge because too many of his decisions have left me wondering, too many of his comments have pointed elsewhere than the mirror and too many times, he seems to have failed to learn from his errors.

[Whisperin' Jimmy]

It was Wally's fault. He has lost it. He should fire Chap and he should never have got rid of Printers because of his play in 2004.

Nonsense! That was some of the most innovative playcalling the Lions have seen in years. I loved it when they ran McCallum up the middle on third and short, though I hope his injuries are not as fatal as they initally appeared. And who knew Olafioye would have been so successful stepping in at QB, after Lulay's appendix burst and Jarious was pecked in the eye by that rabid seagull?

Sure, it hurt to lose in OT again for the third straight week. Not quite sure what Wally was thinking, going for the rouge on first and goal. Still, with the Eskimoes going bankrupt and so many of the Bombers having contracted zombie virus, there is still hope for the playoffs. Go, Lions!

[Lion Guy]

It was Wally's fault. He has lost it. He should fire Chap and he should never have got rid of Printers because of his play in 2004.

Nonsense! That was some of the most innovative playcalling the Lions have seen in years. I loved it when they ran McCallum up the middle on third and short, though I hope his injuries are not as fatal as they initally appeared. And who knew Olafioye would have been so successful stepping in at QB, after Lulay's appendix burst and Jarious was pecked in the eye by that rabid seagull?

Sure, it hurt to lose in OT again for the third straight week. Not quite sure what Wally was thinking, going for the rouge on first and goal. Still, with the Eskimoes going bankrupt and so many of the Bombers having contracted zombie virus, there is still hope for the playoffs. Go, Lions!

Which begs the question....................what was a seagull doing in Calgary?

[Whisperin' Jimmy]

Which begs the question....................what was a seagull doing in Calgary?

Apparently they were playing at a Casino there:

http://www.songkick.com/concerts/572835 ... and-casino

Though how McMahon security let a guy with that haircut, foaming at the mouth, sneak past them onto the field is beyond me.

[TheLionKing]

Buono's best before date has come and gone. How can he possibly forget to include both McCallum and Whyte off tonight's roster. Paris Jackson punting and David Hyland doing the place kicking. You gotta be kidding.

[David]

Buono's best before date has come and gone. How can he possibly forget to include both McCallum and Whyte off tonight's roster. Paris Jackson punting and David Hyland doing the place kicking. You gotta be kidding.

It wasn't Buono's error, it was McEvoy's. While you can say it's symptomatic of a pervasive lack of attention to detail within the organization that starts with the man at the top, you can't pin it on Wally.

He hires good, competent people to do these kinds of tasks and expects them to get done right. Unfortunately in this case, it wasn't. I would be more upset at Wally's decision not to dress 5 D-linemen than that.

DH

[Blitz]

Just thought I would kick things off early

It was Wally's fault. He has lost it. He should fire Chap and he should never have got rid of Printers because of his play in 2004.

It's not Wally's fault. The players have to execute better. Wally is the winningest coach in the history of the CFL. It ain't Chap's fault either, if the QB can't drive the Porsche he gives them. And Printers ... In 2004 he got lucky. In 2005 he quarreled with that saint of a fellow, Sir Dave Dickenson. In 2009 he put up good stats for himself, but lost most of his games. In 2010 he just wanted the money, and another chapter for his book.

It's not Wally's fault that our team is 5-10. Printers screwed things up again. Last season Buck and Jarious were awful, which is why we slid from 2008. The fact that we won set a record for wins in a season in 2007, led the league in offence, with Jarious starting the last 11 games, whle Chap was in Edmonton was a complete fluke. Our offence would have fallen apart in 2008 if Chap had not returned to reintroduce his exciting brand of offence.

Why we brought Printers for a second stint is shocking. It was shocking enough that Wally offerred him the huge contract at the end of 2005, to become our starter and wanted to dump Dickenson. Could never figure that one out because everyone said he was a cancer. 'Ol Wal just got enamored with Printers 2004 season. Hell, Printers could never even read a defense. He was a one year wonder. During that 2004 MOP season, when Printers threw 35 touchdowns, passed for over 5000 yards, and had a 118 quarterback efficiency average-all he ever did is just scarmble around.

The fact is that Printers actaully got real uppity after that season and actually thoght he was starter material. With Dave Dickenson here. Imagine!!! We should have gotten rid of him right there for that attitude.

However, thankfully, good ol Dave stayed. He loved it here in B.C. He never came to B.C. in 2003 because we offered him the best contract of anyone in the league. Nope, he would have almost played for free, he loved it here in B.C. so much and he loved Wally too. When 'of Dave said he didn't play for Wally in 2006, he was just joshing a little. He would have loved to come back and coach here, cause he had no hard feelings about Wally cutting him loose at the end of 2007. He still loves Wally and if he could have, he would have loved to return here to coach Printers here. He really wanted to help Casey, just lke he always did when he was playing here. He would never have turned any of his buddies against Casey in the locker room. He never said a thing to cause Rob Murphy, who never played with Casey to not want Casey in the dressing room on a return visit here. Nope, when 'ol Dave and Rob Murphy drove togehter to practces Dave used to tell Rob how much he had liked playing with Casey during the 2005 season.

That Casey Printers just doesn't get it. You'd think he'd learn but oh no, he just returned and became a cancer in the dressing room again!!!! And after all that Wally had done for him. Chap even forgave him and tried to give him an offence that sutied him..cause Casey loves playing behind a makeshift, experimental offensive line and he loves having the rush in his face in a second. He doesn''t like an outlet tailback cause he hates throwing that pass anyway. Casey wants to throw all the time so why bother with a running game. Nope, Chap designed this offence for Casey. It breaks down so fast it gives Casey the opportunity to start scrambling as soon as the ball hits his hands.

But Casey just screwed it up anyway, as he always does. He got a lot older after his 2009 season. His legs were like an 80 year old's out there. Of course Casey kinda sulfked about when we threw an untested guy in as the starter. But we did give him another chance doing mop up duty in Winnipeg. Of course the whole dam team fell apart as soon as we put him in there. But not Angus..nope he's a team guy so when Winnipeg was coming back Angus got those ol leg cramps again and wished he could have been more helpful to Casey. But he did say nice things about him after.

Anyway, its all water under the bridge. This is a rebuilding year. This team is going places. Chap's offence is ready to explode. Benevedes knows how to make in game adjustments. People like to harp that our defense has imploded a couple of times over the past two seasons, when a team has rushed against us, at will and we did nothing to stop it. Some of those defensive players just get discombobulated once in a while. They just forget everything when they get into a game. What's a coach supposed to do?

Well, as long as we have ol Wally here, there is nothing to worry about. We've just had some bad luck this season and some of our players are so dum they can't excute anything but Wally will coach them up..no worries. As soon as he got rid of Printers, the morale on this team just rose to the heavens. This is just a particularly dum bunch and just need a little more patience. None of this is Wally''s fault. Wally is a really nice guy and maybe he just needs to kick a little ass with this team!!