Team 1040 reporting Mitchell to Argos.

[KnowItAll]

sounds to me like more than just adhd here. sounds like some bordeline personality disorder as well. I myself suffer from both

Treatment of ADHD in Patients with Borderline Disorder

It is not uncommon for children, teenagers and adults with borderline disorder who have some symptoms of ADHD to be misdiagnosed with only ADHD, and then receive customary treatment with stimulants such as methylphenidate or an amphetamine derivative.

If borderline disorder and ADHD co-occur, patients often do worse when treated for ADHD if they first receive a medication for the symptoms of ADHD. Under these circumstances, they may then demonstrate an increase in emotionality, aggressive impulsivity and even paranoid thinking. Fortunately, clinical experience and anecdotal reports in the scientific literature suggest that this problem can be effectively managed in one of two ways.

When the symptoms of ADHD are mild, behavioral treatments alone may be effective, thereby avoiding the risk of increasing the symptoms of borderline disorder with a stimulant.

However, if medications are required to bring the symptoms of ADHD under optimal control, it appears to be helpful to initiate treatment with a low dose of an antipsychotic agent for the symptoms of borderline disorder [Medications]. Doing so permits the use of a stimulant to produce a beneficial effect on the symptoms of ADHD with a minimal risk of worsening the core symptoms of borderline disorder.

[South Pender]

This is the information that has been shared regarding Khalif Mitchell

~The diagnosis is ADHD, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, which is even more complex that attention deficit disorder
~Khalif Mitchell is also dyslexic
~Khalif takes prescriptions for his ADHD and has done so since 2009
~He was diagnosed with ADHD at East Carolina, where he played his college football
~Khalif began taking medications for his ADHD when he was on the San Francisco 49'ers roster and where he consulted a specialist and also engaged in counseling with an NFL psychiatrist
~B.C. Lions players only learned of Mitchell's ADHD diagnosis in October, following Mitchell's Twitter remarks and his one game suspension by Leos management.
~While no details have ever been provided the Lions coaching staff and management were aware of his issues and worked with him on treatment.

Thanks, Blitz. It does look as though he has a true disorder, given the information you've provided. You have to wonder these days when all forms of bad behaviour are attributed to a variety of bogus psychological and neurological disorders--new syndromes appearing every week. The problem is greatest, of course, in the judicial system where any number of psychologists and psychiatrists are willing to attribute the defendant's crime to some purely-theoretical abnormality that they believe in, but is supported by absolutely no empirical evidence.

[South Pender]

sounds to me like more than just adhd here. sounds like some bordeline personality disorder as well. I myself suffer from both

Treatment of ADHD in Patients with Borderline Disorder

It is not uncommon for children, teenagers and adults with borderline disorder who have some symptoms of ADHD to be misdiagnosed with only ADHD, and then receive customary treatment with stimulants such as methylphenidate or an amphetamine derivative.

If borderline disorder and ADHD co-occur, patients often do worse when treated for ADHD if they first receive a medication for the symptoms of ADHD. Under these circumstances, they may then demonstrate an increase in emotionality, aggressive impulsivity and even paranoid thinking. Fortunately, clinical experience and anecdotal reports in the scientific literature suggest that this problem can be effectively managed in one of two ways.

When the symptoms of ADHD are mild, behavioral treatments alone may be effective, thereby avoiding the risk of increasing the symptoms of borderline disorder with a stimulant.

However, if medications are required to bring the symptoms of ADHD under optimal control, it appears to be helpful to initiate treatment with a low dose of an antipsychotic agent for the symptoms of borderline disorder [Medications]. Doing so permits the use of a stimulant to produce a beneficial effect on the symptoms of ADHD with a minimal risk of worsening the core symptoms of borderline disorder.

I'm sorry to hear of your own condition, KnowItAll, and wish you well in managing it. However, it seems to me that we may be entering risky territory by offering up diagnoses of psychopathology on this forum from a few observations we've made of others. Psychiatric conditions cannot generally be properly diagnosed from episodic behavioural signs and symptoms alone. Psychiatric diagnosis with many conditions is a very inexact science, even with the help of DSM-IV, and a lot of pathology labels get thrown around on the basis of informal and possibly-atypical behavioural data. It is probably safe to say,though, that Mitchell should perhaps stay in close touch with a behavioural specialist who can help him stay up-to-date with respect to emerging knowledge and therapies. I sure hope that he's been accurately diagnosed in the first place and is getting the right kind of focused ongoing care.

[Coast Mountain Lion]

Controversial or not, we're going to miss his great piano skills. I know I've posted this before, but I'll post it again and let this be a farewell memory of him, as we all want to be remembered by their good aspects.

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Well he's already got the right colour of rugby shirt for Toronto.

[Toppy Vann]

Khalif needs to be very careful what he says. Jim Barker will not get rattled by his comments but I'd not think the HC or DC are of the same type of person. Barker has heard it all and personally has taken a lot of crap.

Wally is right then - he is the kind of person - who is not going to enamour himself well with all team mates.

I think it is best to say nothing at all on a former player - espec. when you are on the opposite side of the ball to the person.

I never agreed with the trashing of Printers either.

[Blitz]

sounds to me like more than just adhd here. sounds like some bordeline personality disorder as well. I myself suffer from both.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts KnowItAll and I respect your courage.

We have come a long way in the past ten years in our knowledge of a wide variety of learning and personality disorders. Some have a biological basis, many have a childhood basis etc. From the ability to information share so much better due to computers technology, MRI imaging, and a ton of brain research in recent years great leaps have occurred.

Diagnosing a disorder and understanding its causes does not take away the personal responsibility or accountability of the individual. Its so much easier to feel empathy towards a person who suffers a physical injury than it is to empathize with a person whose injury is not visible.

But we are learning. The Rick Rypien suicide, due to depression, showed us the powerful impact that can occur when a specific disorder cannot be managed.

I remember Khalif waiving his arms to the crowd before each play and for a time I thought he should save his energy and that he was overdong it. It was so much clearer to understand once I learned his diagnosis.

Anyway, Toronto knows the situation and will have a plan in place.

In the meantime back to our 2013 Leos. Moving Keron Williams back to tackle, the positin he played in Montreal, may be a very good move. Keron will give us a player who can get to the quarterback from the inside and if Julius Williams can stay healthy he can bring it from the defensive end position. It could spell double Williams trouble for opposing quarterbacks.

[South Pender]

sounds to me like more than just adhd here. sounds like some bordeline personality disorder as well. I myself suffer from both.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts KnowItAll and I respect your courage.

We have come a long way in the past ten years in our knowledge of a wide variety of learning and personality disorders. Some have a biological basis, many have a childhood basis etc. From the ability to information share so much better due to computers technology, MRI imaging, and a ton of brain research in recent years great leaps have occurred.

Diagnosing a disorder and understanding its causes does not take away the personal responsibility or accountability of the individual. Its so much easier to feel empathy towards a person who suffers a physical injury than it is to empathize with a person whose injury is not visible.

But we are learning. The Rick Rypien suicide, due to depression, showed us the powerful impact that can occur when a specific disorder cannot be managed.

I remember Khalif waiving his arms to the crowd before each play and for a time I thought he should save his energy and that he was overdong it. It was so much clearer to understand once I learned his diagnosis.

Anyway, Toronto knows the situation and will have a plan in place.

The extent to which people with disabling psychological conditions should be held accountable for their behaviour is an extremely important societal issue that seems to be unsettled and which will probably never be fully agreed-upon. We see this play out regularly in court (remember the Twinkie defense?). To some degree it depends on the nature of the condition and just how determinative it is of behaviour. If a player went berserk on the field and it later came to light that he was schizophrenic and was experiencing hallucinations, we wouldn't hold him accountable. Just how much a person with adult ADHD (now called ADD) can control him/herself is unclear. I hope Mitchell is not too proud to seek really state-of-the-art therapy.

In the meantime back to our 2013 Leos. Moving Keron Williams back to tackle, the positin he played in Montreal, may be a very good move. Keron will give us a player who can get to the quarterback from the inside and if Julius Williams can stay healthy he can bring it from the defensive end position. It could spell double Williams trouble for opposing quarterbacks.

I hope you're right about this. My impression had been that we were already pretty solid on the inside (with Taylor, Westerman, and Jordan, not to mention Udofia, who would appear to be a load at 324 lbs.), and that with Williams, Williams, and Smith at end, our D-line was pretty much set. With this move, we now seem thin to me at end. How good will J. Williams be? How much longer can Smith contribute? And who after those two? Someone has mentioned moving Jordan to end, but he hasn't played that position with us.

[KnowItAll]

sounds to me like more than just adhd here. sounds like some bordeline personality disorder as well. I myself suffer from both.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts KnowItAll and I respect your courage.

We have come a long way in the past ten years in our knowledge of a wide variety of learning and personality disorders. Some have a biological basis, many have a childhood basis etc. From the ability to information share so much better due to computers technology, MRI imaging, and a ton of brain research in recent years great leaps have occurred.

Diagnosing a disorder and understanding its causes does not take away the personal responsibility or accountability of the individual. Its so much easier to feel empathy towards a person who suffers a physical injury than it is to empathize with a person whose injury is not visible.

But we are learning. The Rick Rypien suicide, due to depression, showed us the powerful impact that can occur when a specific disorder cannot be managed.

I remember Khalif waiving his arms to the crowd before each play and for a time I thought he should save his energy and that he was overdong it. It was so much clearer to understand once I learned his diagnosis.

Anyway, Toronto knows the situation and will have a plan in place.

The extent to which people with disabling psychological conditions should be held accountable for their behaviour is an extremely important societal issue that seems to be unsettled and which will probably never be fully agreed-upon. We see this play out regularly in court (remember the Twinkie defense?). To some degree it depends on the nature of the condition and just how determinative it is of behaviour. If a player went berserk on the field and it later came to light that he was schizophrenic and was experiencing hallucinations, we wouldn't hold him accountable. Just how much a person with adult ADHD (now called ADD) can control him/herself is unclear. I hope Mitchell is not too proud to seek really state-of-the-art therapy.

In the meantime back to our 2013 Leos. Moving Keron Williams back to tackle, the positin he played in Montreal, may be a very good move. Keron will give us a player who can get to the quarterback from the inside and if Julius Williams can stay healthy he can bring it from the defensive end position. It could spell double Williams trouble for opposing quarterbacks.

I hope you're right about this. My impression had been that we were already pretty solid on the inside (with Taylor, Westerman, and Jordan, not to mention Udofia, who would appear to be a load at 324 lbs.), and that with Williams, Williams, and Smith at end, our D-line was pretty much set. With this move, we now seem thin to me at end. How good will J. Williams be? How much longer can Smith contribute? And who after those two? Someone has mentioned moving Jordan to end, but he hasn't played that position with us.

ADD and ADHD are two separate things.

http://www.ldpride.net/addsub-types.htm

[DanoT]

After Argos lost Foley to FA and released Felmons, they then trade away another import DE to the Lions for Mitchell. So the Argos will be starting 2 rookie DE. Or do they have a current interior D lineman that they can move to DE?

It would appear that the Lions are stronger with more depth at DE than the Argos and probably the entire D line.

[South Pender]

ADD and ADHD are two separate things.

Perhaps, but the adult form of ADHD is often referred to as "adult ADD." Keep in mind too that there is virtually no consensus on diagnostic criteria for adult ADHD.

[Toppy Vann]

Well it looks like the Argos will have some issues to deal with Khalif - and ideally for the player's sake can rein him in as last year showed signs of coming apart (not to forget his current demand to release him).

Argos also got to be concerned with Chad Owen's jump to MMA in a move similar to that of Adam Braidwood who is now out of football and more known for getting listed on the criminal court docket these days. These guys like Owen have a focus about them that needs to stay in one place. Barker was not happy that Owen did MMA and the story on TSN shows he is down to 170 from 180. Not sure that is smart.

[TheLionKing]

Khalif not reporting to Toronto. Perhaps they can trade him to Calgary

http://www.tsn.ca/cfl/story/?id=420536

[David]

On a day like today, can you blame him for not wanting to leave? Great interview and video HERE with Sportsnet's Craig MacEwen.

Nice to know that Vancouver left such a big impression on Khalif.


DH

[TheLionKing]

Link not working.

[sj-roc]

Link not working.

I think you just have to axe some characters from the end and it should work: like THIS.