Robert Dziekański and the RCMP Taser Controversy

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Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:52 am

Robbie wrote:As expected, the police have immunity.
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Off-duty Const. Griffin Gillan has been given a conditional jail sentence without jail time after pleading guilty to the drunken assault of a 47-year-old newspaper delivery man in downtown Vancouver last January.
"Conditional" meaning 21 days' house arrest. He'll also have a criminal record for the rest of his life - that's hardly "immunity".

It remains to be seen what disciplinary actions are taken by the WVPD - keeping in mind that they've been taking a lot of heat for other recent events and so may try to set an example with this.

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Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:35 pm

I thought that if the accused meets all the conditions after three years, then their record is expunged.
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Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:44 pm

Robbie wrote:As expected, the police have immunity. Off-duty Const. Griffin Gillan has been given a conditional jail sentence without jail time after pleading guilty to the drunken assault of a 47-year-old newspaper delivery man in downtown Vancouver last January.
This also comes down to economics. How do you think they'd be able to house this guy in prison.

He did not get off as this is a criminal record and his career in policing is likely done. I don't know his role in this but I don't see this as getting off or being immune.

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Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:26 pm

祝加拿大加式足球聯賽不列颠哥伦比亚卑詩雄獅隊今年贏格雷杯冠軍。此外祝溫哥華加人隊贏總統獎座·卡雲斯·甘保杯·史丹利盃。還每年祝溫哥華白頭浪隊贏美國足球大联盟杯。不要忘記每年祝溫哥華巨人贏西部冰球聯盟冠軍。

改建後的卑詩體育館於二十十一年九月三十日重新對外開放,首場體育活動為同日舉行的加拿大足球聯賽賽事,由主場的卑詩雄獅隊以三十三比二十四擊敗愛民頓愛斯基摩人隊。

祝你狗年行大運。

恭喜西雅图海鹰直到第四十八屆超級盃最終四十三比八大勝曾拿下兩次超級盃冠軍的丹佛野馬拿下隊史第一個超級盃冠軍。

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Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:42 pm

Robbie wrote:There's going to be a challenge:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columb ... ry014.html
Were u not watching the game...lol

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Toppy Vann wrote:
Robbie wrote:There's going to be a challenge:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columb ... ry014.html
Were u not watching the game...lol
Multitasking. :juggle:
祝加拿大加式足球聯賽不列颠哥伦比亚卑詩雄獅隊今年贏格雷杯冠軍。此外祝溫哥華加人隊贏總統獎座·卡雲斯·甘保杯·史丹利盃。還每年祝溫哥華白頭浪隊贏美國足球大联盟杯。不要忘記每年祝溫哥華巨人贏西部冰球聯盟冠軍。

改建後的卑詩體育館於二十十一年九月三十日重新對外開放,首場體育活動為同日舉行的加拿大足球聯賽賽事,由主場的卑詩雄獅隊以三十三比二十四擊敗愛民頓愛斯基摩人隊。

祝你狗年行大運。

恭喜西雅图海鹰直到第四十八屆超級盃最終四十三比八大勝曾拿下兩次超級盃冠軍的丹佛野馬拿下隊史第一個超級盃冠軍。

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Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:17 am

Final arguments begin today. It will be interesting to see the final report and recommendations.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columb ... ry238.html
祝加拿大加式足球聯賽不列颠哥伦比亚卑詩雄獅隊今年贏格雷杯冠軍。此外祝溫哥華加人隊贏總統獎座·卡雲斯·甘保杯·史丹利盃。還每年祝溫哥華白頭浪隊贏美國足球大联盟杯。不要忘記每年祝溫哥華巨人贏西部冰球聯盟冠軍。

改建後的卑詩體育館於二十十一年九月三十日重新對外開放,首場體育活動為同日舉行的加拿大足球聯賽賽事,由主場的卑詩雄獅隊以三十三比二十四擊敗愛民頓愛斯基摩人隊。

祝你狗年行大運。

恭喜西雅图海鹰直到第四十八屆超級盃最終四十三比八大勝曾拿下兩次超級盃冠軍的丹佛野馬拿下隊史第一個超級盃冠軍。

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Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:16 am

The RCMP officer who Tasered Robert Dziekanski at the Vancouver Airport is suing the CBC for libel.

In a writ filed in B.C. Supreme Court, Const. Kwesi Millington says he is seeking punitive or aggravated damages caused by the Canadian Broadcasting Corp.’s publications and broadcasts made after Nov. 4, 2007.
http://www.theprovince.com/RCMP+officer ... story.html
祝加拿大加式足球聯賽不列颠哥伦比亚卑詩雄獅隊今年贏格雷杯冠軍。此外祝溫哥華加人隊贏總統獎座·卡雲斯·甘保杯·史丹利盃。還每年祝溫哥華白頭浪隊贏美國足球大联盟杯。不要忘記每年祝溫哥華巨人贏西部冰球聯盟冠軍。

改建後的卑詩體育館於二十十一年九月三十日重新對外開放,首場體育活動為同日舉行的加拿大足球聯賽賽事,由主場的卑詩雄獅隊以三十三比二十四擊敗愛民頓愛斯基摩人隊。

祝你狗年行大運。

恭喜西雅图海鹰直到第四十八屆超級盃最終四十三比八大勝曾拿下兩次超級盃冠軍的丹佛野馬拿下隊史第一個超級盃冠軍。

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Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:14 am

And I just wonder who might be paying his legal fees?
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Sir Purrcival wrote:And I just wonder who might be paying his legal fees?
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Good point. No wonder our sales tax will be set at 12%.
祝加拿大加式足球聯賽不列颠哥伦比亚卑詩雄獅隊今年贏格雷杯冠軍。此外祝溫哥華加人隊贏總統獎座·卡雲斯·甘保杯·史丹利盃。還每年祝溫哥華白頭浪隊贏美國足球大联盟杯。不要忘記每年祝溫哥華巨人贏西部冰球聯盟冠軍。

改建後的卑詩體育館於二十十一年九月三十日重新對外開放,首場體育活動為同日舉行的加拿大足球聯賽賽事,由主場的卑詩雄獅隊以三十三比二十四擊敗愛民頓愛斯基摩人隊。

祝你狗年行大運。

恭喜西雅图海鹰直到第四十八屆超級盃最終四十三比八大勝曾拿下兩次超級盃冠軍的丹佛野馬拿下隊史第一個超級盃冠軍。

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Sun Dec 06, 2009 5:53 pm

As expected, the RCMP officer involved in the fatal crash that killed 21-year-old Orion Hutchinson on a Delta road over a year ago has dodged impaired-driving charges — but faces a less serious charge of obstruction of justice. Delta police recommended charges of impaired driving causing death be laid against Cpl. Benjamin "Monty" Robinson, but the attorney-general's office only slapped the lesser charge on the Mountie, citing lack of evidence.

http://www.theprovince.com/news/Mountie ... story.html
祝加拿大加式足球聯賽不列颠哥伦比亚卑詩雄獅隊今年贏格雷杯冠軍。此外祝溫哥華加人隊贏總統獎座·卡雲斯·甘保杯·史丹利盃。還每年祝溫哥華白頭浪隊贏美國足球大联盟杯。不要忘記每年祝溫哥華巨人贏西部冰球聯盟冠軍。

改建後的卑詩體育館於二十十一年九月三十日重新對外開放,首場體育活動為同日舉行的加拿大足球聯賽賽事,由主場的卑詩雄獅隊以三十三比二十四擊敗愛民頓愛斯基摩人隊。

祝你狗年行大運。

恭喜西雅图海鹰直到第四十八屆超級盃最終四十三比八大勝曾拿下兩次超級盃冠軍的丹佛野馬拿下隊史第一個超級盃冠軍。

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Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:33 pm

Here is the latest on this story.

CBC News
Dec. 8, 2010

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columb ... eport.html

Here are the highlights of the Public Complaints Commission Inquiry

- While they were in the lawful execution of their duties as police officers, the four officers failed to adopt a measured, co-ordinated and appropriate response to Dziekanski's reported behaviour.

-The senior on-scene RCMP member failed to take charge of the RCMP's response.

-No meaningful attempt was made to de-escalate the situation.

-No warning, visual or otherwise, was given to Dziekanski prior to him being hit by the conducted energy weapon (CEW).

- Use of the CEW against Dziekanski was premature and inappropriate.

-The CEW was used multiple times on Dziekanski without any significant effort made to determine the need for further use.

-The RCMP members present should have more actively provided first-aid and monitored Dziekanki's condition.

-The four RCMP members inappropriately met alone after the death of Dziekanski prior to giving their statements.

-The versions of events given to investigators by the four RCMP officers involved in Dziekanski's death are not deemed credible.

-The senior on-scene RCMP member should not have been present at the Integrated Homicide Investigation Team (IHT) briefing held at the Richmond Detachment on Oct. 14, 2007.

-No bias or partiality toward the involved RCMP members was present in the IHIT investigation of the death of Dziekanski, but the video shot by a member of the public should have been shown to the members before taking statements from them.

-The RCMP should have released certain information to the media which would have served to clarify information pertaining to the death of Dziekanski and corrected erroneous information previously provided without compromising the IHIT investigation.

In short, this will probably pave the way for a dandy lawsuit. #3 in particular seems bad as you would think that effort to de-escalate a situation should be pretty much an automatic first step whenever possible. Hard to do that in 30secs or less.

That their testimony was "not deemed credible" is also quite troubling. That is about as close to saying "you lied" as you can possibly get. The only other interpretation was that you were badly mistaken which doesn't really speak well either.

The last piece I have to wonder about is why the Officers should have viewed the video before giving statements. I find that a bit confusing as their statements should corroborate the events on video, not be guided by them. Basically it should be
"speak the truth" as you see it and see what comes out in the wash. Either it is a case for honest depiction or need for more training or attempted deception. I'm not sure that the RCMP would bother to show a suspect what they have up their sleeve before taking a statement so why should Officers should be treated any differently before they give their versions? Isn't that why they shouldn' t have gotten together to compare notes which was another criticism.
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Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:45 pm

Thanks for posting that, Sir Purrcival.

The Province and the Vancouver Sun also published their own articles.

http://www.theprovince.com/news/much+fo ... story.html

http://www.vancouversun.com/Mounties+qu ... story.html

The truth about Robert Dziekanski’s death doesn’t come cheap: The Braidwood commission has cost B.C. taxpayers $3.7 million to date. But compared with other recent public inquiries, we’re getting “excellent value,” an expert says.
祝加拿大加式足球聯賽不列颠哥伦比亚卑詩雄獅隊今年贏格雷杯冠軍。此外祝溫哥華加人隊贏總統獎座·卡雲斯·甘保杯·史丹利盃。還每年祝溫哥華白頭浪隊贏美國足球大联盟杯。不要忘記每年祝溫哥華巨人贏西部冰球聯盟冠軍。

改建後的卑詩體育館於二十十一年九月三十日重新對外開放,首場體育活動為同日舉行的加拿大足球聯賽賽事,由主場的卑詩雄獅隊以三十三比二十四擊敗愛民頓愛斯基摩人隊。

祝你狗年行大運。

恭喜西雅图海鹰直到第四十八屆超級盃最終四十三比八大勝曾拿下兩次超級盃冠軍的丹佛野馬拿下隊史第一個超級盃冠軍。

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Robbie wrote:As expected, the police have immunity. Off-duty Const. Griffin Gillan has been given a conditional jail sentence without jail time after pleading guilty to the drunken assault of a 47-year-old newspaper delivery man in downtown Vancouver last January.
Robbie wrote:As expected, the RCMP officer involved in the fatal crash that killed 21-year-old Orion Hutchinson on a Delta road over a year ago has dodged impaired-driving charges — but faces a less serious charge of obstruction of justice. Delta police recommended charges of impaired driving causing death be laid against Cpl. Benjamin "Monty" Robinson, but the attorney-general's office only slapped the lesser charge on the Mountie, citing lack of evidence.
Two examples of police officers getting light sentences.

Whereas a civilian teen driver of car that killed Vancouver couple is sentenced to three years. :dizzy: :devil:
http://www.theprovince.com/Teen+driver+ ... story.html
祝加拿大加式足球聯賽不列颠哥伦比亚卑詩雄獅隊今年贏格雷杯冠軍。此外祝溫哥華加人隊贏總統獎座·卡雲斯·甘保杯·史丹利盃。還每年祝溫哥華白頭浪隊贏美國足球大联盟杯。不要忘記每年祝溫哥華巨人贏西部冰球聯盟冠軍。

改建後的卑詩體育館於二十十一年九月三十日重新對外開放,首場體育活動為同日舉行的加拿大足球聯賽賽事,由主場的卑詩雄獅隊以三十三比二十四擊敗愛民頓愛斯基摩人隊。

祝你狗年行大運。

恭喜西雅图海鹰直到第四十八屆超級盃最終四十三比八大勝曾拿下兩次超級盃冠軍的丹佛野馬拿下隊史第一個超級盃冠軍。

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Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:46 am

Instead of the RCMP, it's the VPD that's involved now. I guess if an undercover police officer charges into a room, he should identify himself as a policeman lest the occupants think that they are dealing with a home invasion intruder. In this case, it was a case of mistaken identity and at least the VPD issued an apology. Unfortunately for this man, he was injured enough that he had to go to the hospital for bruises to his head, waist and knees and fractured bones around his left eye. I'm sure his views on the VPD will be forever changed.

http://www.theprovince.com/news/Vancouv ... story.html
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columb ... ei-wu.html

There are similarities to that of Robert Dziekanski in that there was a langauge barrier. But the difference is, he was not tasered. Perhaps the VPD should have used taser instead of physically striking him?
祝加拿大加式足球聯賽不列颠哥伦比亚卑詩雄獅隊今年贏格雷杯冠軍。此外祝溫哥華加人隊贏總統獎座·卡雲斯·甘保杯·史丹利盃。還每年祝溫哥華白頭浪隊贏美國足球大联盟杯。不要忘記每年祝溫哥華巨人贏西部冰球聯盟冠軍。

改建後的卑詩體育館於二十十一年九月三十日重新對外開放,首場體育活動為同日舉行的加拿大足球聯賽賽事,由主場的卑詩雄獅隊以三十三比二十四擊敗愛民頓愛斯基摩人隊。

祝你狗年行大運。

恭喜西雅图海鹰直到第四十八屆超級盃最終四十三比八大勝曾拿下兩次超級盃冠軍的丹佛野馬拿下隊史第一個超級盃冠軍。

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