Robert Dziekański and the RCMP Taser Controversy

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Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:39 pm

West Coast Blue Fan wrote:
nelson95 wrote:do you think they use tasers on psych wards or at Riverview?
Are staplers accessible there?
apparently matches are allowed in Surrey Memorial psych wards, along with pool cue and balls. But not electrical cords allowed. hmmmm
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Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:03 pm

Any chance that the officer testifying today is related to a former Lion?

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Sat Mar 07, 2009 7:20 am

I thought there was a resemblance to a former CFLer in name and looks but don't know.

It is pretty clear that these guys are using tasers not understanding that it might be deadly force when they pull that trigger. It is shocking that the video had to correct his story. Very sad, it was dealt with as much as that Police Academy movie when the guy shoots the distressed woman's cat out of the tree.


It's a good thing this lady at our Hong Kong airport didn't pull this stunt at YVR. What I was shocked about is that HSAR has guys patrolling packing some big guns:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbVw7ent ... re=related

Hong Kong flier in YouTube temper tantrum gets apology and upgrade
Posted : Thu, 05 Mar 2009 07:24:01 GMT

Hong Kong - A Chinese woman passenger whose temper tantrum when she missed a flight from Hong Kong was watched by 5 million YouTube viewers has been given an apology and a free upgrade, the airline said Thursday. An airline employee who filmed the middle-aged woman throwing herself on the floor in a three-minute screaming fit when she arrived at the boarding gate too late to board a flight to San Francisco has also been disciplined, Cathay Pacific said.

More than 5 million people have watched the video of the unidentified woman's tantrum at Chek Lap Kok on February 4, filmed with a mobile phone camera, since it was posted on the video-sharing website.

The woman, who was travelling with her husband and a friend, arrived at the boarding gate at the exact time of flight's scheduled departure and flew into a rage when told her luggage had been off-loaded. She was eventually put on a later flight.

Within days, a video showing her trying to force her way to the air bridge and then throwing herself on the floor in front of the departure gate had become an internet sensation.

The woman, who travels regularly between Hong Kong and San Francisco, returned to Hong Kong with her husband recently and met Cathay Pacific customer relations executives to discuss the YouTube broadcast.

A Cathay Pacific spokeswoman said the woman and her husband had not sought compensation but said they had been given upgrades to business class on their next flight to San Francisco as a "gesture of goodwill."

Cathay had established through an internal inquiry that a member of its ground staff shot the video, the spokeswoman said. However, the video was not posted on YouTube by that employee, she added.

"We have conveyed the findings of our inquiry to the passenger concerned, and her family, and have issued an apology for the inconvenience and embarrassment she may have suffered as a result," the spokeswoman said.

"The staff member who took the video has been disciplined and cautioned against repeating such behaviour."

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Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:46 pm

The senior and supervising RCMP officer has now testified and as expected, there were several inconsistencies to what the other three officers said, and what the video shows. Robinson testified he gave fellow RCMP officer Const. Kwesi Millington the order to use the Taser when Dziekanski picked up a stapler and stepped forward. But Millington had testified earlier that the only time Robinson told him to use the Taser was before the third deployment, when Dziekanski was already on the ground.
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Fri May 22, 2009 12:58 pm

According to the forensic psychiatrist, Robert was not suffering from delerium.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columb ... trist.html
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改建後的卑詩體育館於二十十一年九月三十日重新對外開放,首場體育活動為同日舉行的加拿大足球聯賽賽事,由主場的卑詩雄獅隊以三十三比二十四擊敗愛民頓愛斯基摩人隊。

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Fri May 22, 2009 6:05 pm

Shrinks are like lawyers, two shrinks three opinions. Seems to me its hard to prove on way or another after a guy is dead. Maybe the cops were delierious?

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Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:14 am

If it's any consolation, redemption, and vindication for Robert's mother, one of the four officers may be charged with an unrelated incident.

RCMP officer Cpl. Benjamin (Monty) Robinson is facing charges of impaired driving causing death and dangerous driving causing death.

If one is to criticize Robert for his stupid actions, then Robinson's stupid actions are a hundred times worse.

Who on his right mind, especially an RCMP officer would:

1. Get involved in a vehicular accident that involves death and then...
2. Doing a hit-and-run by quickly leaving the scene and then...
3. Ten minutes later have two shots of vodka and then...
4. Using that as the excuse as to why he failed a breathalyzer test! :drunk:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columb ... ended.html
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改建後的卑詩體育館於二十十一年九月三十日重新對外開放,首場體育活動為同日舉行的加拿大足球聯賽賽事,由主場的卑詩雄獅隊以三十三比二十四擊敗愛民頓愛斯基摩人隊。

祝你狗年行大運。

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Robbie wrote:If it's any consolation, redemption, and vindication for Robert's mother, one of the four officers may be charged with an unrelated incident.

RCMP officer Cpl. Benjamin (Monty) Robinson is facing charges of impaired driving causing death and dangerous driving causing death.

If one is to criticize Robert for his stupid actions, then Robinson's stupid actions are a hundred times worse.

Who on his right mind, especially an RCMP officer would:

1. Get involved in a vehicular accident that involves death and then...
2. Doing a hit-and-run by quickly leaving the scene and then...
3. Ten minutes later have two shots of vodka and then...
4. Using that as the excuse as to why he failed a breathalyzer test! :drunk:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columb ... ended.html
The last sentence in the article says "Robinson and the other three officers do not face charges in relation to Dziekanski's death."
Knowing what you know now would you sign this petition.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/95/justi ... dziekanski
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Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:16 am

More than a year after it first began, the Braidwood inquiry will hear final submissions Friday on the death of Robert Dziekanski — the Polish immigrant who died after being jolted several times with a stun gun by RCMP officers at Vancouver International Airport in October 2007.

The inquiry was almost derailed when the four officers launched a court challenge questioning commissioner Thomas Braidwood's authority to find them guilty of misconduct, but their case was rejected in B.C. Supreme Court earlier this week.

The submissions will run through to next week. Once final submissions are given, Braidwood will prepare his report, which is expected in the fall.
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祝你狗年行大運。

恭喜西雅图海鹰直到第四十八屆超級盃最終四十三比八大勝曾拿下兩次超級盃冠軍的丹佛野馬拿下隊史第一個超級盃冠軍。

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zark wrote: Knowing what you know now would you sign this petition.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/95/justi ... dziekanski
No, because online petitions mean sweet F-A to the court system (as it should be!) and it's a complete waste of time.
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Soundy wrote:
zark wrote: Knowing what you know now would you sign this petition.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/95/justi ... dziekanski
No, because online petitions mean sweet F-A to the court system (as it should be!) and it's a complete waste of time.
Actually this post is incorrect. Not the one showing the petition but the one that suggests the petition carries no weight. If there was a groundswell of public outrage about this issue, it could influence public confidence in the justice system which is not the defining or deciding factor in the appointment of a special prosecutor in BC, but it is a factor as can be seen on the Attorney General's website:

"Special prosecutors are appointed where there is a significant potential for a perceived or real improper influence in prosecutorial decision making in a given case. The paramount consideration is the need to maintain public confidence in the administration of criminal justice."

http://www.ag.gov.bc.ca/prosecution-ser ... ecutor.htm

Granted the Premier is not the one to make that decision however it is not an improper petitioning of the government at all and is not a waste of time despite the potential outcome of no appointment being made as they do not routinely make these appointments just because someone asks for it. When you read what has been said by the police officers involved and what was shown on You Tube you realize how shockingly bad that police work was and the public has every right to be upset and add their voice to this. To answer the original question, now that we know what did take place, this petition looks like it has a lot of justification to it. That was plain incompetent police work!

Even the appointment process is independent of government but let's face it, officials in these senior positions know that they too serve at the pleasure of the government and if they want long careers, being stupid about how they conduct this role they have would be a career limiting move. People are human and they can read the papers including those who have to make the call on this issue. So what else would you suggest if not a petition??? It is just one tool in the drawer.

The Crown Counsel Act (BC) provides for this statement on that web page: "Only the head of B.C.’s Prosecution Service – the assistant deputy attorney general of the Criminal Justice Branch of the Ministry of Attorney General – has authority to appoint a special prosecutor and define the special prosecutor’s mandate."

"Once appointed, special prosecutors are independent of B.C.’s prosecution service. Special prosecutors must adhere to the policies of the Criminal Justice Branch including the branch’s charge assessment guidelines. Where there is a decision to prosecute, the special prosecutor would ordinarily conduct the prosecution and any subsequent appeals. If the Attorney General, the deputy attorney general or the assistant deputy attorney general wishes to intervene in the decisions of the special prosecutor, they would have to do so in writing and publish their directions in the B.C. Gazette, the official public legal record of government notices."

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Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:23 am

It's bad enough when an RCMP officer faces discipline. But it's a worse if it's an ex-Lion disciplined for the second time. Ken Whitney played DT for the Lions in 1990-91.

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改建後的卑詩體育館於二十十一年九月三十日重新對外開放,首場體育活動為同日舉行的加拿大足球聯賽賽事,由主場的卑詩雄獅隊以三十三比二十四擊敗愛民頓愛斯基摩人隊。

祝你狗年行大運。

恭喜西雅图海鹰直到第四十八屆超級盃最終四十三比八大勝曾拿下兩次超級盃冠軍的丹佛野馬拿下隊史第一個超級盃冠軍。

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Sounds like he is as good a Police Officer as he was a player which is to say not.
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Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:25 am

As expected, the police have immunity. Off-duty Const. Griffin Gillan has been given a conditional jail sentence without jail time after pleading guilty to the drunken assault of a 47-year-old newspaper delivery man in downtown Vancouver last January.
祝加拿大加式足球聯賽不列颠哥伦比亚卑詩雄獅隊今年贏格雷杯冠軍。此外祝溫哥華加人隊贏總統獎座·卡雲斯·甘保杯·史丹利盃。還每年祝溫哥華白頭浪隊贏美國足球大联盟杯。不要忘記每年祝溫哥華巨人贏西部冰球聯盟冠軍。

改建後的卑詩體育館於二十十一年九月三十日重新對外開放,首場體育活動為同日舉行的加拿大足球聯賽賽事,由主場的卑詩雄獅隊以三十三比二十四擊敗愛民頓愛斯基摩人隊。

祝你狗年行大運。

恭喜西雅图海鹰直到第四十八屆超級盃最終四十三比八大勝曾拿下兩次超級盃冠軍的丹佛野馬拿下隊史第一個超級盃冠軍。

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