Argos 24 - Lions 20 Post Game Stats and Comments

[WestCoastJoe]

T. LULAY 26/40 330 0 2

Receiving Rec YDS TD LG
O. WILSON 6 57 0 20
E. ARCENEAUX 5 71 0 28
J. ROBERTSON 5 42 0 16
J. LEE 4 50 0 16
D. ARMSTRONG 2 72 0 58
G. SIMON 2 20 0 12
P. JACKSON 2 18 0 9

Rushing ATT YDS TD LG
J. ROBERTSON 12 54 2 13
T. LULAY 3 7 0 4
E. ARCENEAUX 1 14 0 14
J. JACKSON 1 1 0 1
J. MESSAM 1 0 0 0

Fumbles NO LST REC YDS
J. ROBERTSON 1 1 0 0
D. PITTMAN 0 0 1 0
S. ELIMIMIAN 0 0 1 0

Field Goals FG LG XP PTS
P. MCCALLUM 1/1 0 2/2 5

Punting NO AVG NET LG
P. MCCALLUM 9 40.4 323 68

Punt Returns NO YDS AVG LG TD
R. JORDAN 4 56 14.0 17 0
A. HARRIS 1 7 7.0 7 0

Kickoffs NO YDS LG SG
P. MCCALLUM 4 237 66 0

Kick Returns NO YDS AVG LG TD
R. JORDAN 5 95 19.0 24 0
J. MESSAM 1 23 23.0 23 0

Defence TKL SK INT FF
S. FRANKS 8 0 0 1
T. CRAWFORD 5 0 0 0
R. PHILLIPS 4 3 0 1
A. REDDICK 4 0 1 0
M. CRAFT 4 0 0 0
K. BANKS 3 0 0 0
J. HENDERSON 2 0 0 0
D. PITTMAN 2 0 0 0
K. WILLIAMS 2 0 0 0
J. YURICHUK 2 0 0 0
B. JOHNSON 1 0 0 0
J. HAMEISTER-RIES 1 0 0 0
D. MARSH 1 0 0 0
S. ELIMIMIAN 1 0 0 0
G. SIMON 1 0 0 0
D. SANCHEZ 0 0 1 0

Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
C. LEMON 19/28 222 2 2
D. BELL 0/1 0 0 0

Receiving Rec YDS TD LG
A. DURIE 5 50 0 14
J. COPELAND 3 43 1 21
C. LUCAS 3 35 0 20
R. CHRISTIAN 3 31 0 12
B. RIDEAU 2 42 1 22
J. JOHNSON 1 9 0 9
C. OWENS 1 7 0 7
C. BOYD 1 5 0 5

Rushing ATT YDS TD LG
C. BOYD 19 148 0 41
C. LEMON 2 13 0 8

Fumbles NO LST REC YDS
C. LEMON 1 1 0 0
C. LUCAS 1 1 0 0
C. BOYD 1 0 0 0
B. PARKER 0 0 1 0

Field Goals FG LG XP PTS
G. SHAW 1/2 43 3/3 6

Punting NO AVG NET LG
J. BOREHAM 6 41.7 187 48

Punt Returns NO YDS AVG LG TD
C. OWENS 4 41 10.2 14 0

Kickoffs NO YDS LG SG
J. BOREHAM 6 412 73 0

Kick Returns NO YDS AVG LG TD
R. CHRISTIAN 3 53 17.7 26 0
C. OWENS 1 15 15.0 15 0

Defence TKL SK INT FF
K. EIBEN 8 0 0 0
W. MIDDLEBROOKS 8 0 0 0
B. PARKER 4 0 1 0
J. POTTINGER 4 0 0 0
W. PILE 3 0 1 0
L. SHELL 3 0 0 0
A. BUZBEE 2 0 0 0
K. HUNTLEY 2 0 0 0
A. BELLI 2 0 0 0
J. YOUNGER 1 0 0 1
C. LEMON 1 0 0 0
C. BOYD 1 0 0 0
J. COPELAND 1 0 0 0
E. MCCOLLOUGH 1 0 0 0
E. KUALE 1 0 0 0

[WestCoastJoe]

Heart-breaking loss.

Ahead 17 - 3 near half time.

Outscored 21 - 3 the rest of the way.

[B.C.FAN]

Lulay made some bad decisions in the fourth quarter but he would have had over 400 yards passing and a lot more fourth-quarter confidence if not for the dropped balls.

[Rammer]

Phillips had a great game, too bad about the one TD on his cover, but why the DB's aren't screaming that the ball was coming his way I can't figure out. It was very similar to the one Sanchez picked off, an air ball up for grabs and Phillips had the better positioning until the receiver made an adjustment.

[Centrum22]

Soul-searching time.

[Larry Key]

The OC failed again to adjust in the 2nd half. We are too predictable, we didn't run enough to strike any fear into the opposition. I don't think Robertson is the answer. I wish Wally would have given more opportunities to the scat backs we brought into TC. Robertson had fumbled way too many times at key moments in the game. He has cost us minimum 2 TD;s so far this season.

[WestCoastJoe]

Arceneaux is not the receiver he was last year. Not likely to get that NFL shot the way he is playing.

Once one guy drops the ball, the dropsies can break out like the flu.

I thought Travis showed a lot of good stuff. I hope that TD pick does not hurt his confidence. That pass in the flats is the oldest trick in the books for clever CBs.

Wilson gets about 0 yards running after the catch.

Ryan Phillips needs tackling instruction.

Lots of effort overall. O Line worked hard. D Line and LBs worked hard.

Korey Banks has a habit of over-running the RB when he makes a blitz.

Brent Johnson had a game to forget, if he can.

I like Franks and Riddick and Henderson and Elimimian. (He got away with a late hit, methinks.)

Crawford looked good in TC, etc. Not so much now.

What happened to Jason Arakgi. I thought he was fantastic the last 2 years. Now he takes brain dead penalties.

As Rammer says, Robert is JOrdinary.

Loyal fans won't like this, but good teams find ways to win, and ... vice versa.

Lots of blame to go around. Lots of excuses that can be given.

Would you apportion more blame to the players, or to the coaches? This is a loyalty test. If you are a die-hard fan, you will blame the players. If you are a fan who is not so die-hard, you might be more inclined to blame the coaches.

[B.C.FAN]

Would you apportion more blame to the players, or to the coaches? This is a loyalty test. If you are a die-hard fan, you will blame the players. If you are a fan who is not so die-hard, you might be more inclined to blame the coaches.

I guess that makes me a die-hard fan. No surprise there.
I'm not sure what that loyalty test means, but I agree with all of your other comments.

[West Coast Blue Fan]

I thought Phillips was absolutely terrible. Tacking and coverage.....both half hearted. Kudos for his one fumble

He held back on his one sack and after watching him, it seems he simply waits rather than being aggressive.

Arceneux can kiss the NFL goodbye.

The Jordan experiment looks over. Put Harris back there.

Keron Williams was invisible

If your going to put Brent Johnson in as fullback and throw to him, why the hell not put Messam in? They're the same size and Messam can catch.

Armstrongs 2 grabs and 72 yards cam on the last 2 plays of the game

Hope that 56 and 31 are not out for long, they are needed.

[CatsEyes]

Yeah who was the receivers' coach last year? I think having that person as the receivers' coach is tantamount to having Mother Teresa run a brothel.






That's a joke kids.


It's time to make an example out of someone or someones. Like Jordan for starters. Messam and Harris acquitted themselves pretty well on returns.

[TheLionKing]

The fact that Messam and Harris had better returns than Robert Jordan speaks volumes.

[WestCoastJoe]

Would you apportion more blame to the players, or to the coaches? This is a loyalty test. If you are a die-hard fan, you will blame the players. If you are a fan who is not so die-hard, you might be more inclined to blame the coaches.

I guess that makes me a die-hard fan. No surprise there.

I'm not sure what that loyalty test means, but I agree with all of your other comments.

LOL

Full marks to you, BCFAN. The Lions should reward such fans as you with the highest level product on the field.

I'm more inclined to be critical of the coaches when a team does poorly. After all, the coaches choose the players, train them, lead and motivate them, etc. For me, in football, it mostly comes down to the coaches, as to whether a team performs as it should.

IMO ...

[Gary]

The Arcenaux drop and the Robertson fumble took as much as 12 points off the board, by my count (potentially two touchdowns, instead of one conceded safety.) Not only that, they seemed to take the wind out of the Lions sails offensively, as they didn't even come close to scoring after that.
I won't be blaming the play-calling this time, not with ridiculous mistakes like that. (However, I do find it puzzling that our QB is throwing a ten-yard out to the wide side of the field with under two minutes left and a three point lead.) I thought the play-calling showed some ingenuity tonight with the hand-off to Arcenaux, use of the screen pass, and swinging the ball out to Jamall Lee a couple times.
Special teams was a problem, particularly the penalties in the return game. Also, MacCallum's punting was up and down.
The d was stretched pretty thin by injuries. Had some trouble stopping the run, especially after Elimimian was injured. However, they still did alright, allowing just the 17 points.

WCJ, I agree that Elimimian got away with a late hit. However, I disagree with your assessment of Phillips. He was extremely effective blitzing from the blind side. That was a nice new wrinkle in the D. He had a couple of sacks, plus a forced fumble by my count.

Conclusion: too many mistakes to beat even an average team.

[WestCoastJoe]

WCJ, I agree that Elimimian got away with a late hit. However, I disagree with your assessment of Phillips. He was extremely effective blitzing from the blind side. That was a nice new wrinkle in the D. He had a couple of sacks, plus a forced fumble by my count.

I liked how we used Phillips on the blitz. Even there, though, it looked like he does not like to hit people. He held back on Lemon. But his timing and quickness are great on the blitz. Looks like Stubler's influence to me.

In the secondary, I can recall a couple of his poor attempts at tackling. He does not try to wrap up the player with his arms, and take him to the ground. Such a tackle hurts the tackler too. The ground is hard.

[hutch]

They should sit Arceneaux for the next game, that drop and Robertson's fumble was the game. Perhaps release both Robertson and Brent Johnson? I've always liked Johnson but he is SO done! IMO they won't be missing much if they released those two guys.